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    1. Flavia Dzodan‏Verified account @redlightvoices Apr 27

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      btw I did this thread of threads about incels the other day but there's one thing that journos who are new to the "genre" seem to get wrong: the "involuntary" part is rooted in entitlement and the belief that they didn't "choose" celibacy while simultaneously making it a choicehttps://twitter.com/redlightvoices/status/989114588913393665 …

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      Flavia DzodanVerified account @redlightvoices
      Some timely reminders now that incels are again on mainstream news https://twitter.com/redlightvoices/status/968412049591226368 …
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    2. Flavia Dzodan‏Verified account @redlightvoices Apr 27

      if you trace the belief system to its origins, you see that they claimed they were sexless because they were "denied" sex. But that evolved into an active choice to withdraw themselves from opportunities to have sex. There is an overlap between incels and some in "No Fap" groups

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    3. Flavia Dzodan‏Verified account @redlightvoices Apr 27

      in the very beginning, I'd say around 2011? 12? at least when I first noticed them, they were a sort of spin off of MRAs. They weren't fully formed politically (not in the way they are now, at least) and they still engaged in discussions about "how to have sex" or go on dates etc

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    4. Flavia Dzodan‏Verified account @redlightvoices Apr 27

      but eventually, they became politically attached to this label which, it should be noted, they turned into the most reactionary form of "identity politics" (while violently attacking PoC and other minorities for being "SJW").

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    5. Flavia Dzodan‏Verified account @redlightvoices Apr 27

      so, the mistake some journos are making, in my opinion, is taking the "involuntary" part in "incel" at face value. For many of these men there's nothing involuntary about it. It's an active choice.

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    6. Flavia Dzodan‏Verified account @redlightvoices Apr 27

      Let's not forget they came into existence when they felt that the pick up artists "failed" them because they were promised sex if they followed their techniques and when no sex materialized, they felt that they were victims of fraud

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    7. witchweasel  🏴‏ @alendrel Apr 27
      Replying to @redlightvoices

      So much this! Both the incel and the PUA result from the Nice Guy giving in to bitterness and resentment over things not working as promised by society.

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    8. witchweasel  🏴‏ @alendrel Apr 27
      Replying to @alendrel @redlightvoices

      One of the things that sharply demarks the incel from the other two is that the latter are both rooted in “Put forth effort, obtain desired result” (with the Nice Guy operating in good faith based on false premises, and the PUA in bad faith predation) >

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      witchweasel  🏴‏ @alendrel Apr 27
      Replying to @alendrel @redlightvoices

      while the incel believes what they want is due to them with no effort on their part whatsoever, or, at worst, the effort of others. Which is why actively coercive social solutions to their problem are such a huge part of their internal discourse.

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        2. EJR Tairne ( 👻 🎃)‏ @ejrtairne Apr 28
          Replying to @alendrel @redlightvoices

          It like looking at the demands of an adult life and social relationships through everything they learned from a lifetime of videogame logic.

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        3. EJR Tairne ( 👻 🎃)‏ @ejrtairne Apr 28
          Replying to @ejrtairne @alendrel @redlightvoices

          I used to write about videogames professionally. Had something of a name for myself, even! When I first met her, my wife didn't understand why I regularly talked about Gamers are the worst people on the planet. Around 2014 she began to understand. The pathology is astounding.

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        4. EJR Tairne ( 👻 🎃)‏ @ejrtairne Apr 28
          Replying to @ejrtairne @alendrel @redlightvoices

          I was writing about this pathology, and the way the warped gamer mentality was related to the kinds of reward structures and expectations these broken people were looping their heads into, as early as 2006, I think. As you might imagine, at the time it didn't go over too well!

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        5. EJR Tairne ( 👻 🎃)‏ @ejrtairne Apr 28
          Replying to @ejrtairne @alendrel @redlightvoices

          "Actions have no meaning outside themselves and their own catharsis, except to the extent that they further the player’s progress toward an arbitrary goal. And yet if the player is allowed to do something, the only reason not to do it is the threat of penalty. [...]

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        6. EJR Tairne ( 👻 🎃)‏ @ejrtairne Apr 28
          Replying to @ejrtairne @alendrel @redlightvoices

          " In a medium that serves to explore the consequences to one’s actions, for the standard message to be that there is no meaning, no consequence; that our only responsibility is to follow the plan set out for us – follow it, and we’ll be given a quantifiable reward…

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        7. EJR Tairne ( 👻 🎃)‏ @ejrtairne Apr 28
          Replying to @ejrtairne @alendrel @redlightvoices

          "For the mission being to hoard and consume, for the default method almost universally being violence… Just, damn. No wonder the US Army is so interested."

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        8. EJR Tairne ( 👻 🎃)‏ @ejrtairne Apr 28
          Replying to @ejrtairne @alendrel @redlightvoices

          "There is the therapeutic argument: that in their vacuum of consequence videogames allow the player’s id a harmless place to vent itself, like punching a lump of clay instead of a person’s face. [...] though [...] Start punching the clay, maybe you’ll wind up sculpting something.

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        9. EJR Tairne ( 👻 🎃)‏ @ejrtairne Apr 28
          Replying to @ejrtairne @alendrel @redlightvoices

          "Am I saying that videogames are training people to be psychopaths? Well, kind of, yeah. Since most people are reasonably well-adjusted, of course, the effect is subtle at best – outside of their expectations for other videogames. [...] And yet, there it is.

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