lmao how is labor force participation doing? is that a emplyment level? guess not,
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To make your argument, you would have to show that labor force participation fell when immigration went up. The problem is it's the opposite. Labor Force participation falling is driven by an aging population, which is precisely why we need more immigrants.
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did labor force part not fall with imigration? obama dubya clinton all associated with high immigrant pops and falling labor force part
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There are ample statistics available to help you make your argument. You might try St. Louis Fed, Pew Hispanic, and other tools. Short answer: no. Labor force participation did not fall with immigration rising. It's the opposite.
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ah yes the appeal to opaque authoritative numbers strat solid play can you link me the relevant graphs please? and ~exacrly~ how each num is calculated? and all funding sources for all relevant insts, intemized by amount and date? otherwise i will continue to trust my own stats.
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I can't do all the work for you. You are the one who made an inaccurate, data-free claim. The BLS has tons of info about labor force participation and how they come to the numbers: https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000 … Pew Hispanic is an authoritative source, but there are many others.
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Adam please provide your long-form birth certificate which I'm sure will prove fake anyway .
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I am a bit dense, here. What is the point of your tweet? Are you saying I'm such an Obama supporter that I make everything up? What would the best outcome be of your tweet? Would I collapse, feel pwned, change my opinion? Or actually respond and ask for a real conversation?
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All those observations are intuitive except the first: why would unskilled undoc’ed immigrants not cause wage pressure? Is it that they consume as well as produce, so there is little net effect? Asking for a theory to explain the observation. :-)
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You answered your own question. Places with more people don't have fewer jobs. Chicago didn't get weaker when it grew. Read:https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/29/magazine/debunking-the-myth-of-the-job-stealing-immigrant.html …
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All your original assertions now make sense. Still, does unskilled undoc’ed immigration put downward pressure on unskilled wages? Not a crisis, but might explain what is resonating politically — which is what I’m trying to understand.
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I.e. could you have a bigger overall pie, stable employment, most people win, but simultaneously some unskilled workers, unable to move up the value chain, still lose? Or at least fear that loss? How big a group is that? Enough to swing an election?
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There is a rich literature on this. Look at David Card Vs. George Borjas. Or Giovanni Peri. In short: there is one group who seems measurably impacted by wage paper: inner-city, high-school dropouts. Mostly African-American. Their wages fall by, roughly, 3%.
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It would be quite remarkable to learn that all of the most vocal anti-immigration voices are fueled by their deep concern for African-American high school dropouts. Peri is most helpful in explaining why there isn't more direct wage pressure.
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Well im not sure about pay more taxes than receive. Most barely make enough wage to have federal taxes trigger on their paycheck. Do you know how taxes work on payroll?
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It's not just payroll taxes. There are a lot of taxes that people pay--sales, property (through rent or directly), social security.
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this is true over time. In early years first-gen immigrants cost citizens more. 'Aight? Shoutout to 109th & Riverside
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That is not true. Immigrants have no measurable wage/employment level impact at any point, including first arrival. They don't commit more crimes at first arrival. They are a net payer of taxes from the get go.
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By definition though- aren’t illegal immigrants already guilty of committing a crime?
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A misdemeanor. Literally the same level offense as running a red light. Not exactly hardened criminals "by definition".
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And imagine how many of us would be criminals if all traffic lights were red 90% of the time?
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