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    1. ad_captandum2‏ @ad_captandum2 Jun 18

      What's happening here is that the Democrats are determined to upgrade the immigration debate from a policy one to a moral/religious one. What that means is, they are refusing to concede the moral legitimacy of the other side of the debate

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    2. ad_captandum2‏ @ad_captandum2 Jun 18

      They've done this before with the LGBT issue and it's been extremely successful so it's not surprising that it's being attempted with immigration

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    3. ad_captandum2‏ @ad_captandum2 Jun 18

      But immigration is a much more existential issue than the bourgeois niche issue of gay marriage, particularly to the middle and working class who has to deal with its consequences every time immigration destroys their children's schools or their neighborhood

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      ad_captandum2‏ @ad_captandum2 Jun 18

      So my guess is this will fail dramatically, despite short term successes with this family separation issue.

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        2. Tyto Alba‏ @euneaux Jun 18
          Replying to @ad_captandum2

          What are the chances the GOP keeps its backbone to stand up to the media propaganda assault? If they can manage to stand firm for a couple weeks, chances are good the media cycle shifts and attention will be drawn to the next big distracting outrage.

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        3. ad_captandum2‏ @ad_captandum2 Jun 18
          Replying to @euneaux

          Agreed. I'm not really sure what Miller and Sessions are trying to accomplish here, tbh.

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        4. Tyto Alba‏ @euneaux Jun 18
          Replying to @ad_captandum2

          I suspect they're trying to establish a reputation for there being a likelihood of some kind of unpleasantness to deter further waves from trying to enter illegally. If the worst that they can expect is to be sent back, of course more will take their chances.

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        5. ad_captandum2‏ @ad_captandum2 Jun 18
          Replying to @euneaux

          it seems dumb to court this sort of political chaos to deter what is ultimately a relatively small portion of illegal immigration

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        6. ad_captandum2‏ @ad_captandum2 Jun 18
          Replying to @ad_captandum2 @euneaux

          I thought the travel ban was dumb, too

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        2. David Eil‏ @economistified Jun 18
          Replying to @ad_captandum2

          The recent escalation seems a Trump administration decision. And it's much more than just Dems who have turned it into a moral issue.

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        3. David Eil‏ @economistified Jun 18
          Replying to @economistified @ad_captandum2

          I, too, would like a sober debate over immigration policy but the administration's actions do not seem designed to engender that

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        4. ad_captandum2‏ @ad_captandum2 Jun 18
          Replying to @economistified

          What restrictionist measures do the Democrats seem willing to entertain? I see no evidence that they view the immigration concerns of Trump voters as anything but racism

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        5. David Eil‏ @economistified Jun 18
          Replying to @ad_captandum2

          They seemed up for the Graham Durbin deal until Trump killed it? Trump may have poisoned the well too much at this point

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        6. ad_captandum2‏ @ad_captandum2 Jun 18
          Replying to @economistified

          You mean the one that amnestied not only the DACA people but their parents too? I don't think it was something that any serious restrictionists supported

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        7. David Eil‏ @economistified Jun 18
          Replying to @ad_captandum2

          Then you've defined serious restrictionists to a group that's a pretty small minority

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        8. David Eil‏ @economistified Jun 18
          Replying to @economistified @ad_captandum2

          Graham/Durbin had the most votes of any of the 4 bills the Senate voted on iirc, and the most restrictionist one had the least

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        9. ad_captandum2‏ @ad_captandum2 Jun 18
          Replying to @economistified

          The Graham Durbin bill would have been the largest amnesty in the country's history as far as I recall. I asked you what restrictionist measures the Dems are willing to sign onto, to cite this as an example is absurd

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        2. 少年听雨歌楼上‏ @RosesofE Jun 18
          Replying to @ad_captandum2

          But isn’t what GOP currently doing like really shooting themselves in the feet? I fail to see how handing moral high ground to opponents help to make the debate easier for restrictionists.

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        3. ad_captandum2‏ @ad_captandum2 Jun 18
          Replying to @RosesofE

          I think ultimately, structural change (demographic change) will drive more people into the Trumpist camp. Which is why I think the moral outrage on the left probably won't work long run

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        1. OpinionsInFlux‏ @OpinionsInFlux Jun 18
          Replying to @ad_captandum2

          It will not fail. Elites usually get what they want and it is even easier than usual since the massive immigration is the past few decades drowns out the votes of the people it hurts.

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        1. Mr. Deplorable‏ @Ponzi1945 Jun 18
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          Imagine if the GOP were competent! Huge winner.

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