I already have none of those things. Duterte actually delivered most of those things in Davao (juries out on Bolsonaro since he's not in charge). I don't think it's either/or. "My side" has to win in order to have those things.
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That being said, Duterte and Bolsonaro are on different sides. Duterte is a secular, pro-LGBT, center-left socialist. Bolsonaro is a hard-right homophobic reactionary quasi-libertarian conservative. I don't think "my side" needs to win. I just think (neo)liberalism has to lose.
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It's difficult to distinguish between the society-destroying effects of neoliberalism/capitalism and social liberalism/leftism. I guess China will be instructive to watch in this respect.
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Replying to @ad_captandum2 @AbsurdistRoader
I'm not completely against the idea that modern social collapse and atomization is a side effect of capitalism but we really have no way of knowing that
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Replying to @ad_captandum2 @tcjfs
Why is China instructive? Coastal China essentially has a capitalistic economy and China's cultural ethos is essentially socially liberal (progress above all, secularism/anti-religion, materialism, individualism). China is fairly socially liberal for its level of economic dev.
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Replying to @AbsurdistRoader @tcjfs
Because it's an absolutist regime. Also, I'm not sure that China can be classified as socially liberal, they certainly don't subscribe to the nonsense on immigration or gender/race that Western liberals do.
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Replying to @ad_captandum2 @tcjfs
Yes, but I strongly suspect the neolibs would prefer to have an absolutist regime here (democracy only being tolerable when it ratifies neoliberal policy). The "nonsense on gender" is actually becoming more mainstream in China - the Vagina Monologues a big hit in China.
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Yeah, Iran's fertility is the ultimate blackpill
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Replying to @ad_captandum2 @tcjfs
to be quite fair, a society where 50% of people have 2 kids and 50% have 1 kid seems a lot better than our hellsociety, where 50% of people have 4 kids and 50% are forever alone. IMO, fertility rate by itself not a GREAT sign of how strong a society is.
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