How is anyone going to be harmed by cleaning up their room? I'm sure that most self-help advice, whether by Peterson or by anyone else, will go unheeded, but that's just more reason to disregard the moral panic about him.
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Replying to @pnin1957 @Hereditarian98
not by cleaning up, but, for those individuals who are *incapable* of doing so (severe adhd, for eg.), being pressured to do so. the tidiness thing is not the issue, tho. it's this sort of stuff: "Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them." srsly?! ...
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the problem with peterson is the same as with nearly 100% of those cashing in on self-help advice: they fail to take into account that people are different. and, like evander said, it's frustrating to see otherwise intelligent people promoting such crap. (esp in my TL! (~_^) )
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If telling less capable people to cultivate good habits is a bad thing isn't that a problem with any sort of virtue ethics? What if people of different levels of capability derive different amounts of good from a good habit?
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And what if people who are less capable actually derive *more* benefit from doing a good thing sporadically than capable people do from doing it perfectly
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that'd be ok if that was the case. show me the evidence.
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You're asking for evidence that cultivating good behavior that requires a certain amount of effort is good for people?
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first of all, i'm asking for evidence that the various self-help suggestions peterson gives are good. then i'd like evidence that individuals who are less able to do these good things benefit more from doing them than those people for whom the actions come naturally.
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It would be idiotic to come up with an evidence based theory of morality based on social psych research given that hardly anything ever replicates. My point is that you're demanding evidence for the fundamentals of nearly all virtue ethics with the implication that anyone who
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advocates any sort of cultivation of virtue to people of various levels of ability is, by definition, a charlatan. That's nonsensical.
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I suppose you would accuse Aristotle of the same thing. Lol.
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