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    1.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

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      "the blind men and the elephant" was supposedly a metaphor for understanding god putting the blind men into a room and trying to integrate their stories into one coherent thing is laudable. but not a replacement for direct experience which necessarily involves myopiahttps://twitter.com/AbstractFairy/status/1412609769869918211 …

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      some thoughts about god, prayer and meditation for background i'm post-atheist* and have had an allergy to most of them * there's a religious to anti-religious-atheist to post-atheist pipeline apparently. post atheists recognize the good bits of religion
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    2.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

      it's also necessary to keep in mind that this has been tried before. many times. so not only have there been attempted understandings based purely on derived non-direct experience, these derivatives has been used to create even greater derivativespic.twitter.com/2lSSXnC39N

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    3.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

      similar to financial derivatives, these "assets" make sense at a surface level, can command massive amounts of attention, and even drive the bulk of activity but just like the 2008 subprime crisis, they can turn out to be empty

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    4.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

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      in order for sth to make sense you must think through it yourself which NECESSARILY requires being wrong complex domains often have "truths" and also opposites that are also truths. trying to merge them into a super truth isn't possiblehttps://twitter.com/a_yawning_cat/status/1359214964611837953?s=20 …

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      the opposite is active non-competition. e.g. a circlejerk where everyone is right even though they may be saying completely opposite things. it's like if i decided to believe in flat-earth and round-earth simultaneously to double the amount of my earth knowledge. 🙄
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    5.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

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      otherwise you are trying to fit multiple keys simultaneously into the same keyhole and that just isn't going to workhttps://twitter.com/a_yawning_cat/status/1328968602784047109 …

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      "It’s all about unlocking the next door,” I continue, “and having ten thousand keys doesn’t mean a thing if none of them opens the door you’re standing in front of."
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    6.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

      and this is disregarding willful maliciousness, self delusional grandeur, and the like. e.g. exploding keys, fake keys, fake doors, etc... also, how are you going to move past "flat earth" theory if ALL your closest friends and supporting social structure are flat earthers?

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    7.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

      sitting stuck in a room with a bunch of keys trying to smelt them into one super key can be a rational response to a scary task that of taking the risk of seeing which keys are forged from your own bullshit, or explode in your face

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    8.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

      at risk of stretching this analogy far too much, you could also say that in each room, the task is finding THE key once the key is found, every other key disappears and you have to start again with a whole bunch of new keys and new doors

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    9.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

      there is no way to "keep" keys going forward the same way you cannot know if you can maintain passion for something as you progress in proficiency at it maybe you lose interest. maybe it gets too hard. it's impossible to tell prior to the attainment.

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    10.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

      there is a desire to reconciliate prayer and meditation prayer being The Thing to Do for traditional religion, and meditation being The Thing for new "spiritual not religious" religions

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       🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

      this strikes me the same as asking "what piano do i buy to be a good pianist" "what camera do i buy to be a good photographer" "what etf/altcoin do i buy to become rich" "what framework do i learn to get good at coding"

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        2.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

          hooking up a piano to act as a keyboard to type into a code editor to manually control a camera to take pictures of astrological movements to buy stocks on does NOT give you the best of all worlds

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        3.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

          that being said they are not completely equal. learning to code may be more motivating for someone b/c there's future career prospects. maybe u hate tech so piano might be better. maybe ur deaf so try photography

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        4.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

          the point is, it has to make SENSE to YOU prayer is rooted in religious foundation so w/o that background it's as weird as rubbing lube on your nipples so they don't bleed when you're a beginner runner. makes sense w/ context. feels perverted otherwisehttps://www.runnersworld.com/beginner/a20846387/how-can-i-prevent-bloody-nipples/ …

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        5.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

          meditation on the other hand make sense even outside spiritual context as a way to clear the mind, just relax and chill, or w/e both prayer and meditation however suffer the same noise : signal ratio of a history of derivative understandings providing "helpful guides"

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        6.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

          meditation, because of its lower barrier to entry requiring no historical text or history, is like javascript in that it has a higher noise : signal ratio *some try to combine the "best of both worlds" by using "meditation" in some specific religious context. cue fancy sanskrit

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        7.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

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          prayer and meditation then often become similar to the original "solution" of rounding up the blind men and interviewing them it is a desire to avoid "wrongness" by leveraging the minds of others b/c being wrong together w the experts doesn't feel so badhttps://twitter.com/a_yawning_cat/status/1411555942777298945 …

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          the same happens in spiritual contexts. e.g. the desire to "meditate together" in a giant meditation room of togetherness is quite distinct from running away from society into the mountains and meditating in a dark cave by urself one is Center oriented the other is Top oriented
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        8.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

          the original act of "listening to god" is lost. one does not perform the Most Important Act of Listening by going to a neighborhood coffee shop for the christian snake jazz background music and happy background vibes of friendly chatter

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        9.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

          in this sense, going to "find myself" by solo hiking the appalachian trail makes more sense you find yourself by getting lost. by throwing away all the keys you've gathered, preserved, collected, documented, and mind-mapped into a roam database

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        10.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

          same for the frazzled housewife who wants to travel far and exotic she falls trap to the same "leave behind all my flat earther brothers" trap and has to drag along her entire family she travels to get away from the voices to find her OWN voice. but the voices follow

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        11.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

          and here is the thing about finding your own voice ever notice how every thought that arises only appears in consciousness because "You" listened to it? if "You" are always doing the listening... then what is always doing the speaking?

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        12.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

          what "You" have to say is always Silence this ACT of proactively taking the initiative to speak silence is known as "active listening" or "prayer" or "meditation" or w/e

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        13.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

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          anyway dear hooman, if u really want my advice then the above is my advice just stfu.https://twitter.com/a_yawning_cat/status/1363961354793623553?s=20 …

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          the groveling became too much to bear i slashed out both of its eyes and roared "look hooman! the closer u get to God the more retarded u realize u are. u are on this journey to gain or maintain a sense of superiority. u r NOT ready!" the hooman replied:
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        14.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jul 6

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          u can totally trust me b/c i am most definitely not a demon demons have claws and fangs after allhttps://twitter.com/AbstractFairy/status/1412609790870753284?s=20 …

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          II. if you assume that god exists then it would be reasonable to assume that demons try to trick you by presenting themselves as god porn presents itself as love money presents itself as wealth tyranny presents itself as security and guidance https://twitter.com/picklehomer/status/1402698041556013058 …
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