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    1.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Feb 17

      moral conflict boils down to choosing between your sense of rightness as an Individual vs the moral decision of the Group. groups act as a kind of moral insurance where wrongness is dispersed amongst everyone.

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    2.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Feb 17

      it's egoic insurance rather than reality insurance though since wrongness doesn't dilute, it multiplies. if millions people are wrong about blaming jewish people for Literally Everything, it doesn't dampen the effect of wrongness but amplifies it in reality while preserving ego

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    3.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Feb 17

      different segments of the group have different freedoms in being 'wrong' since the social punishment affects differently. e.g. women tend to be more affected by social ostracization, both in ability to to make a living as well as psychologically.

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    4.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Feb 17

      thus women have less opportunity to be "wrong". this creates double standards in opportunities to lead high-stakes negotiations, creative exploration, etc... but also reduces "opportunity" to end up in prison.

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    5.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Feb 17

      it also implies that the capacity for group violence and pressure for group homogenization is proportional to how "Right" the group needs to be.

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    6.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Feb 17

      e.g. one reason trans activists tend to feel more 'punishing' than other groups may be the cost of being wrong. https://old.reddit.com/r/detrans/top/?sort=top&t=all …pic.twitter.com/AXn50M70xs

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    7.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Feb 17

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      homogenization is a critical part of moral group insurance as well since in a perfect world w/ nothing Other to compare against, there is no way to notice that you are wrong and no way to measure degree of wrongness.https://twitter.com/a_yawning_cat/status/1359515502582763520?s=20 …

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      this is why the majority hates defectors. at the same time they’re saying “that idiot’s gonna fail” they fear being shown up. if everyone is doing the same thing, this type of comparison isn’t possible. https://twitter.com/pwyowell/status/1359177343353442308 …
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    8.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Feb 17

      the end result is that choosing group morality over individual morality can be completely totalizing. you have to swallow the entire body of moral judgement. there is no freedom to choose, rethink, rework, criticize, re-interpret, etc...

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    9.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Feb 17

      veganism for e.g. is often tied to other moral superiorities. cats, as obligate carnivores, have to prove themselves more b/c they can't do the vegan thing. just like a black guy born in china needs to be extra extra extra chinese to be accepted by the chinese community.

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    10.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Feb 17

      what group DO get right is that morality is created BY the group. "my values are JUST as good as YOURS" is true to as long as the morality is purely "spiritual". once they start affecting the real world the knife of analysis can start to judge moralities themself as good or bad

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       🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Feb 17

      e.g. "men r better than women at working" works as long as the men aren't sent to war and the women need to start working. once there is a need, the previous moral judgements, which are the load bearing columns for Culture, are stripped of their immortality and can be killed.

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        2.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Feb 17

          everyone thinks they are an individual. this is b/c no one thinks they are part of a mob. they are always part of a Righteous Mission or a Group of Friendly Friends. true individuality may even be impossible as "I" am always "part" of my body, mind, environment, etc...

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        3.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Feb 17

          once the concentric circles that build up the layer cake of "Me" dissolve, there is a sense that there is only One individual that is the "Universe" or "Reality" or "God".

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        4.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Feb 17

          moral judgements are an art. they are the art of dissolving and enforcing boundaries for the sake of Something. yin & yang. it is lazy to enforce at all costs or to dissolve at all costs since you simplify the world by splitting it in half. you deal w/ N rather than N^2

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          related thoughts on "Identity Traps"https://twitter.com/a_yawning_cat/status/1356832063723196418 …

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          an "Identity Trap" is so named because like all traps, it LIMITS some form of freedom. every action is filtered first through "does this make sense for this identity, who has attributes X, Y, Z and is part of in-groups A, B, C and believes in 1,2,3"
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