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     🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

    some intuition around what "market price" is. it's the same as asking for "market rate" when you pass a job interview. what is it? heck if anyone knows. it's just "I don't know my value so I can't ask for very much but I don't want to be lowest paid guy."

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      2.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        the market price is in constant flux, there's a rough range you know it's in, but the "actual" price is a nebulous cloud maintained by a constant churn of offers and rejections.

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      3.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        note that market rate unintuitively ISN'T determined by specific price requirements (limit orders) but by the activity of accepting/rejecting. even if you place an order at "market price" w/o setting a specific price, you're still contributing information to the market brain.

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      4.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        a market price "stabilizes" if there is a LOT of activity. this is "price discovery". this is highest for things that have been "commoditized" since there's more market activity and thus more market information.

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      5.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        the market for Senior Staff Principal Make the World Better Placers is highly volatile ranging from $0 startup founder to 100M big company big wig. the market for corn of QA engineers is however more set b/c there is much more supply relative to demand.

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      6.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        so the market rate for rare things is basically determined by more "handshake" level specific numbers while the market rate for something more common has a VERY heavy anchor. This can be "good" for some too. e.g. move to Bay area and being a highly paid idiot at FAANG.

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      7.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        that's because the market isn't specifically interested in accuracy. it's interested in speed of exchanging goods! accuracy correlates to some extent since guaranteed accuracy means less time haggling back and forth and trading goats and oranges.

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      8.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        Note how job fragmentation works here too! The commoditized "Software Engineer" can be split into various names even if they're basically the same or have high overlap Fullstack, UI, SWE, SRE, Tech Lead, Manager Who Codes, Rat, Mouse, Lobster, Shrimp, etc...

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      9.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        Yet look in the actual HR system and it's just Level 1 , 2, 3, 4,... The fragmentation isn't actually "that" real at the salary level. Some companies even make this explicit with centralized hiring such as FB (where you get in first, then choose a team via an internal job fair)

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      10.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        It DOES however add some level of gatekeeping. Fullstack can feel superior to UI and so on. The difference wasn't that real last time I checked but the way to see if it worked is only by looking at the REAL numbers (e.g. paysa)

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      11.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        With remote & commodification via higher level (easier) frameworks, you can start to see real differences. E.g. UI has a much lower barrier to entry and aggregated data sources like Paysa may start to show this difference via lower salaries for the 'UI' job title.

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      12.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        however there are still pockets where the difference doesn't matter. e.g. if you're geographically gate-kept in places like "The USA" or "The Bay Area" or "New York" or "San Francisco". the "brand" can carry the majority of market rate while the "actual" skills becomes minor.

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      13.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        the way that unions work is that they decrease the activity of the market by combining separate individuals playing their own game into one super entity. less players, less market, less price discovery, more "contract" power. "Pay us X!" the gatekeeping is the cell boundary!

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      14.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        this is why unions HATE those who don't join the union because they're literally waging war against the union's reason for being despite the personal motive being something more mundane like feeding a family.

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      15.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        I remember this reddit post where someone mentioned that the "bad factory" his mother had to work at was a godsend because prior to it she had to be a prostitute. many moralizing union arguments is just anger at the people who "sold out".

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      16.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        yet... say you bought GME and could stand to make a large windfall. OR you would make only a small one but you need that injection of cash NOW. can you *really* hate those who make this choice?

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      17.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        the former requires choosing to give up individual sovereignty to "be a part" of the union and thus is the REAL test of it there's any real brotherhood or if it's just a temporary racket held together by duct tape anger.

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      18.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        the latter asks for literal sacrifice which no sane person would agree too unless the union could also "take care of you" or "make you whole." (note how mafias and cartels can basically be viewed as unions against government)

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      19.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        this is why unions of all forms can be dangerous. because their "death" is hastened by the secession of individuals they have a I WILL NOT DIE!!! program similar to cancer cells. EXIT is not possible. Only VOICE is.

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      20.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        ironically unions can become the VERY thing that they hated. how you HAD to be part of the system with an ignored and even ridiculed Voice, with threat of economic/psychic/literal violence upon proposing Exit.

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      21.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        the other reason unions can become dangerous is b/c the best way to maintain a solid cell boundary is through THE WORLD OUTSIDE IS DANGEROUS. collective groups projecting shadow so that everyone ELSE/OTHER are Evil Devils is CRUCIAL for the coherence/vitality of the group.

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      22.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        The Haughty Angels of the Searing Judgemental Light create the very Angry Fire Demons of Ignorant Darkness that is their reason for being. To guard the gates of Heaven because "those idiots can't see how BEAUTIFUL x,y,z is."

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      23.  🐈‏ @a_yawning_cat Jan 28

        E.g. a redneck going "Those dirty indo-china-tacos are taking all our glorious honest down-2-earth jobs and cutting corners!!!" ignores the "oh cool, something else I can do instead of sell my pussy, I can finally give her the life she deserves lounging around catching mice."

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