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Building the core compute platforms for Amazon and EC2. Free/Open Source Romantic. he/him/them, his/their Opinions: my own. http://linkedin.com/in/matthewswil …

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    1. Krish Subramanian‏ @krishnan Sep 4
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      Krish Subramanian Retweeted Sebastien Goasguen

      Google is holding not just Knative but also Istio and Tensorflow. I used to think it is better to move to OSS Foundation but modern day foundations (or trade associations as per @_msw_) are becoming meaningless. Why would Google give up these projects with the traction they have?https://twitter.com/sebgoa/status/1169315071182417920 …

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      Sebastien Goasguen @sebgoa
      The best thing @googlecloud could do for #knative would be to give it to #cncf
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    2. Krish Subramanian‏ @krishnan Sep 4
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      Playing devil's advocate here. In my reading, Google is not seeing a need to offload them. Maybe, other vendors working on Knative are not pushing hard enough?

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    3. Sebastien Goasguen‏ @sebgoa Sep 4
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      Fair. Then why ? Bit of a chicken and egg problem then

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    4. Krish Subramanian‏ @krishnan Sep 4
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      Replying to @sebgoa @_msw_

      Google had to push Kubernetes out because of pressures they were facing in public cloud market. They are a bit better off and I feel that they are not incentivized enough

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    5. Matthew S. Wilson‏ @_msw_ Sep 4
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      Replying to @krishnan @sebgoa

      Find more background on Google's decision making process on when to transfer governance here: https://opensource.google.com/docs/foundations/ … In particular:pic.twitter.com/EEW1MjZfhg

      It may make sense to begin talking about a foundation in the early days of a project, but that is not typical. In many cases, this may actually be detrimental to the velocity of the project.
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    6. Krish Subramanian‏ @krishnan Sep 4
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      Replying to @_msw_ @sebgoa

      Clearly telling the world that they will do it when it is convenient for them :-)

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    7. Matthew S. Wilson‏ @_msw_ Sep 4
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      Replying to @krishnan @sebgoa

      Frankly, personally I'd rather an OSS package/system grow organically, both in how individuals (and corporate sponsorship) build the package, and in how it gets adopted. There may be a time when a change of venue and governance is the best next step in a package's growth.

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      Matthew S. Wilson‏ @_msw_ Sep 4
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      Replying to @_msw_ @krishnan @sebgoa

      Back in the Free Standards Group days (a precursor to the Linux Foundation) we had a pretty important guiding principle: "we don't invent standards", the development and user communities do. We tried to codify what works best: established best practice. https://debconf2.debconf.org/talks/lsb/lsb.pdf#page=25 …

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        2. Matthew S. Wilson‏ @_msw_ Sep 4
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          Replying to @_msw_ @krishnan @sebgoa

          I worry that if you start bringing in consortia objectives early (e.g., "defining BUZZWORD and accelerate acceptance and adoption in the market"), you end up with design by committee, and artificial acceleration of bad ideas (due to design by committee).

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        3. Matthew S. Wilson‏ @_msw_ Sep 4
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          Replying to @_msw_ @krishnan @sebgoa

          To put it more gently, the ability to experiment is huge part of what makes #OpenSource so innovative. With experimentation, you don't know what will be successful. I think a better approach is to allow multiple parallel experimentation paths before trying to standardize things.

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