It's one thing if it's someone's personal affectation, mind, but many practitioners hold it more as universal law. This prompts abusive behaviour.
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Replying to @Triquetrea @misen__
It seems to be a prerequisite for abusive behaviour in cultish situations - but the catalysts for that kind of bad behaviour are multiple. “Collective coercion” is a problem. Healthy humility would not allow abuse because it doesn’t lack strength and confidence.
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Bingo. The problem is not humility. It's an excessive attachment to the behavioral trappings of humility (that are not always genuine expressions thereof!)
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hotbeds of passive aggression, spiritual movements :-) .. which is really their value, they force you into your Self
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I doubt those things are Actually Good. Spiritual types are just receptive to it. Religious expression is typically done while vulnerable, so this allows predators a niche. It's the same with child abuse in churches, abuse perpetrated by leaders of social movements...
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the saying in ashrams is that they are like a rock polisher, the rocks become polished by being forced to rub up against all the other rocks .. in that way, imo, valuable, in what through other eyes can always be seen as a cult, certainly a culture
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I think people go too hard in against religious movements because they are a necessary condition for cults. A necessary condition, but not always the same thing. That said, many of those religious sensibilities have developed to give people who hurt others too much power.
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I suspect there’s a correlation between non-religious cult success and religion declining. Political and organizational cults that ostensibly have nothing to do with religion seem to be on the rise.
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Replying to @_awbery_ @Triquetrea and
I worry about the cult-like social behaviour in Academia. People give up often a lot of personal comfort and material security to do science, which is really good ground for abusive behaviour. Especially the tenured faculty against grad students and post docs.
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Replying to @joogipupu @_awbery_ and
Of course there is a recent example of this, yet again:https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05634-8 …
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