This is probably a ‘shadow’ aspect in my worldview. I can detect a subtle dissonance in my system, one I’m still chewing on. I don’t think I understand the issue of what actual humility is versus all the weird ‘humble’ signalling, esp. wrt: pragmatic communication vs social ease
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Replying to @misen__
> but I guess in a non-political/non-state context I tend to think people should be left to do their own thing. It’s relatively harmless. Not that you were saying otherwise. I am pondering out loud.
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I appreciate your ponderances. Yes, being honest and courteous seems much more natural. I suppose part of my own discomfort around this issue is that my natural mode of speech is overly formal, idiosyncratic, generally open and often emphatic. Has been since I was young. >
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> Now, that - reportedly - can come off as a bit weird and/or arrogant, in several contexts. I don't spend a lot of time around dharma people but I can find it quite uncomfortable not being able to talk openly. People are too busy pretending they don't know anything. >
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> luckily, my mentor & teacher seem more interested in an open, honest exchange about practice. I've taken your point about D-K anxiety in a wonky direction. Yesterday I said to a friend that I don't understand why even great yogis say they have no experience (≠ non-bragging) >
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> this is rather different to my experience of martial artists, or meditators from non-himalayan traditions, strangely. I just think it's a bit of a shame if this is a barrier to open conversation. I'll get bored of my issue with this eventually haha >
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> thanks for sharing your thoughts on this, Rin'dzin. Food for thought! Now, time for me to find food and coffee, because I can feel the coherence of my thinking vanishing away at a rapid rate
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Interesting conversation. As a Vajrayana practitioner I find myself having two kinds of humility. First is cultural neurosis, based on my Finnishness, where showing pride is seen as negative thing. Something to be despised. >
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> This is a very unproductive, depressive attitude, and I don't think I am completely free of it. An its is not particularly holy thing, e.g. I have a PhD in theoretical astrophysics but I honestly feel stupid, and untallented most of times >
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> Then there is healthier humility. It is of not making a big issue of whatever meditation accomplishments I might have. No because of being holy, but by acknowledging that it rarely help on communicating those things >
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Excellent point. Gratuitous advice doesn’t have much purchasing power anyway.
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