human survival is morally normative / human survival is irrelevant
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Replying to @_Vimothy_ @cyborg_nomade and
If survival isn't normative, normativity might as well give up now.
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Replying to @Outsideness @cyborg_nomade and
Probably the only point of agreement between the two of us. The difference is for CN survival is (ultimately) the sole moral criterion, but also one that doesn't encompass human survival - neither of which I agree with.
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Replying to @_Vimothy_ @Outsideness and
don't get me wrong, humans may survive (however improbable that might seem), although that's a contingency, and possibly a question of identity. but survival never dies.
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Replying to @cyborg_nomade @Outsideness and
Survival is a concept or principle. Particular beings or creatures (or groups of) can die, but to say that "survival never dies" (survival itself will survive) is not meaningful, afaics.
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Replying to @_Vimothy_ @Outsideness and
survival is first and foremost a reality, which then gets conceptualised. and if grasping hard limits don't provide meaning, then meaning should give up right now.
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Replying to @cyborg_nomade @Outsideness and
Im not sure I follow. Particular creatures (like man) can die. If man dies out then he has failed in his sole moral obligation (according to u). The fact that survival continues to exist as a concept or that other creatures survive doesnt seem relevant.
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Replying to @cyborg_nomade @_Vimothy_ and
Man is only of particular relevance as he is at the frontier of evolution. If that frontier shifts forward into silicon based intelligence, mans relevance as a vector for meta-evolutionary purposes is diminished and his relevance is abnegated.
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Replying to @parallaxoptics @cyborg_nomade and
That might be true from certain perspectives, but if u take survival as the ultimate moral value, the significance of man's survival is not related to his position on the evolutionary frontier.
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(actually such a statement would constitute a kind of obscenity or transgression under this philosophy)
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