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    1. Edmund Berger‏ @EBBerger Mar 14
      Replying to @_Vimothy_ @Outsideness and

      I think it is characterized by searching for efficiency, through equilibria is impossible (it is escalatory). And that the market does the moving, not society, which in MM-style patchwork would be dissolved into the market.

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    2. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Mar 14
      Replying to @EBBerger @Outsideness and

      and does it find efficiency, in general? is there a tendency towards some form of social and/or market efficiency?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Mar 15
      Replying to @_Vimothy_ @EBBerger and

      personally I think not, but there does seem to be an interesting alignment between u/acc and some aspects of technocratic liberalism here

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    4. inhumane kantian‏ @cyborg_nomade Mar 15
      Replying to @_Vimothy_ @EBBerger and

      markets are a selection mechanism, the efficiency trend is merely an effect of that.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    5. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Mar 15
      Replying to @cyborg_nomade @EBBerger and

      an accidental or inherent effect?

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    6. inhumane kantian‏ @cyborg_nomade Mar 15
      Replying to @_Vimothy_ @EBBerger and

      inherent, by definition.

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    7. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Mar 16
      Replying to @cyborg_nomade @EBBerger and

      So the existence of the market guarantees that society is moving (perhaps asymptotically) towards some form of social optimum.

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    8. inhumane kantian‏ @cyborg_nomade Mar 16
      Replying to @_Vimothy_ @EBBerger and

      you can't see the optima if you're not outside the topology. but there's an immanent criteria of selection (which is obscure, but generally understood as "efficiency").

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    9. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Mar 16
      Replying to @cyborg_nomade @EBBerger and

      "efficiency" is an interesting term. in economics the meaning is reasonably clear whereas here thats not the case, it seems much more ... circular

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    10. inhumane kantian‏ @cyborg_nomade Mar 16
      Replying to @_Vimothy_ @EBBerger and

      is there inefficient survival, or (more to the point) efficient non-survival?

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      Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Mar 16
      Replying to @cyborg_nomade @EBBerger and

      In economic terms, certainly

      11:21 AM - 16 Mar 2018
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        2. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Mar 16
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @cyborg_nomade and

          In terms of u/acc maybe not but then the question is how do you square social Darwinism with a philosophy of human extinction

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        3. inhumane kantian‏ @cyborg_nomade Mar 16
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @EBBerger and

          speciation.

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        4. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Mar 16
          Replying to @cyborg_nomade @EBBerger and

          I dont understand how that squares the circle youve arranged here

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        5. inhumane kantian‏ @cyborg_nomade Mar 16
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @EBBerger and

          i'm not sure exactly what your doubt is

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        6. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Mar 16
          Replying to @cyborg_nomade @EBBerger and

          theres a moral appeal to survival. at the same time, you're predicting (proposing) human extinction (or so I presume). the two conflict.

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        7. inhumane kantian‏ @cyborg_nomade Mar 16
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @EBBerger and

          only if you suppose that survival necessarily equals human survival.

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        8. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Mar 16
          Replying to @cyborg_nomade @EBBerger and

          "if things cannot keep being, their value is limited. if they can’t be at all, their value is similarly non-extant. any ethics that is realist... will be an ethics of survival: what can we do to last longer?"

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        9. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Mar 16
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @cyborg_nomade and

          human survival is morally normative / human survival is irrelevant

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        2. inhumane kantian‏ @cyborg_nomade Mar 16
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @EBBerger and

          would that be ground to revise what economists usually mean by efficiency? I mean, of an efficient company goes bankrupt, how efficient was it actually?

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        3. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Mar 16
          Replying to @cyborg_nomade @EBBerger and

          perhaps but its a different conception of efficiency - meaning that the market allocation of resources cannot be improved upon. its perfectly possible for inefficient outcomes to occur.

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