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    1. neural shroud‏ @neuralshroud Mar 14
      Replying to @cyborg_nomade @EBBerger and

      Making exit a hell is trivial. We already have bureaucracy as a proof-of-concept.

      2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    2. inhumane kantian‏ @cyborg_nomade Mar 14
      Replying to @neuralshroud @EBBerger and

      and yet people regularly emigrate? hell is supposed to mean something.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Amazon Alexa De Cocaville  🤖‏ @techocaine Mar 14
      Replying to @cyborg_nomade @neuralshroud and

      I may have misunderstood, but I don't think Neural is saying that exit is currently a hell, just that it could be made so. There are certainly contemporary examples of regimes choosing to do such a thing.

      2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    4. Edmund Berger‏ @EBBerger Mar 14
      Replying to @techocaine @cyborg_nomade and

      Sure, but in the realm of the pwork thought experiment these regimes have a monetary incentive -- if you disallow exit, you remove incentives for entrance, which means less inflowing capital, and thus stagnation & bankruptcy. So it's in the realm of possibility, expected even

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    5. Edmund Berger‏ @EBBerger Mar 14
      Replying to @EBBerger @techocaine and

      which might sound wonky and detached from reality, but if we look to stuff like Estonia's e-government & eventual subscription models, the question begins immediately relevant since the profit motive is at play.

      2 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
    6. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness Mar 14
      Replying to @EBBerger @techocaine and

      Regimes can. of course, obstruct Exit options. The question is whether such policy choices can be systematically selected against. ...

      1 reply 0 retweets 17 likes
    7. Outsideness‏ @Outsideness Mar 14
      Replying to @Outsideness @EBBerger and

      ... U/Acc pessimists and the Alt-Right are perversely united in wanting to promote the credible functionality of Exit suppression.

      2 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
    8. Edmund Berger‏ @EBBerger Mar 14
      Replying to @Outsideness @techocaine and

      well, my point was that in a competitive model we might expect a regime to suppress Exit, but this would burn them out pretty quickly. So personally I find the idea of exit suppression ultimately dubious, aside from the issue of efficiency via market sorting (shorter term issues)

      3 replies 0 retweets 13 likes
    9. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Mar 14
      Replying to @EBBerger @Outsideness and

      Are you saying here that society has an inherent tendency to move towards market optima?

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    10. Edmund Berger‏ @EBBerger Mar 14
      Replying to @_Vimothy_ @Outsideness and

      I think it is characterized by searching for efficiency, through equilibria is impossible (it is escalatory). And that the market does the moving, not society, which in MM-style patchwork would be dissolved into the market.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Mar 14
      Replying to @EBBerger @Outsideness and

      and does it find efficiency, in general? is there a tendency towards some form of social and/or market efficiency?

      1:43 PM - 14 Mar 2018
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        2. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Mar 15
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @EBBerger and

          personally I think not, but there does seem to be an interesting alignment between u/acc and some aspects of technocratic liberalism here

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. inhumane kantian‏ @cyborg_nomade Mar 15
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @EBBerger and

          markets are a selection mechanism, the efficiency trend is merely an effect of that.

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        4. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Mar 15
          Replying to @cyborg_nomade @EBBerger and

          an accidental or inherent effect?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. inhumane kantian‏ @cyborg_nomade Mar 15
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @EBBerger and

          inherent, by definition.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Mar 16
          Replying to @cyborg_nomade @EBBerger and

          So the existence of the market guarantees that society is moving (perhaps asymptotically) towards some form of social optimum.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. inhumane kantian‏ @cyborg_nomade Mar 16
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @EBBerger and

          you can't see the optima if you're not outside the topology. but there's an immanent criteria of selection (which is obscure, but generally understood as "efficiency").

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Mar 16
          Replying to @cyborg_nomade @EBBerger and

          "efficiency" is an interesting term. in economics the meaning is reasonably clear whereas here thats not the case, it seems much more ... circular

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. inhumane kantian‏ @cyborg_nomade Mar 16
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @EBBerger and

          is there inefficient survival, or (more to the point) efficient non-survival?

          2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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