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    1. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Feb 3

      two thoughts on hofstadter’s take on AI translation in the Atlantic: 1. His examples are excellent and show ways in which languages is not just mastering syntax-lexicon-morphology code but requires real understanding of subject areas under discussion (and *not* under discussion)

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    2. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Feb 3

      This is the counter-Enlightenment theory of Language, Charles Taylor calls it “Hamann Herder Heidegger” and has lots of good, accessible essays on it Good to understand for interpretation, meaning in general

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    3. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Feb 3

      2. DH notes google can’t understand meaning yet: true. He thinks the problem is they’re not even looking at meaning yet, just brute-forcing statistical connections: probably false.

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    4. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Feb 3
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      Is it really false? What's your reasoning here?

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    5. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Feb 3
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      did you see the rest of my tweets?

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    6. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Feb 3
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas

      Yeah I saw them. Are you saying that Google aren't simply brute forcing connections, or that they are looking at meaning, or both?

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    7. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Feb 3
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      well first did you read the article I mentioned? might be easier, since the sense in which eg MC methods are brute force as opposed to coding knowledge-based heuristics will be clear if you see Hofstadter’s contrast btw AI and “understanding”

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    8. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Feb 3
      Replying to @QuasLacrimas

      Read the article. I agree with Hoftsadter that google translate doesn't understand what its translating (similarly, AlphaGoZero doesn't understand go). I don't find that surprising or outrageous tho, it's just the nature of current approaches to AI (i.e. machine learning).

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      Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Feb 3
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      I'm still not sure I understand your second point. Do you think that eventually meaning will yield to brute force methods?

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