two thoughts on hofstadter’s take on AI translation in the Atlantic: 1. His examples are excellent and show ways in which languages is not just mastering syntax-lexicon-morphology code but requires real understanding of subject areas under discussion (and *not* under discussion)
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This is the counter-Enlightenment theory of Language, Charles Taylor calls it “Hamann Herder Heidegger” and has lots of good, accessible essays on it Good to understand for interpretation, meaning in general
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2. DH notes google can’t understand meaning yet: true. He thinks the problem is they’re not even looking at meaning yet, just brute-forcing statistical connections: probably false.
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Replying to @QuasLacrimas
Is it really false? What's your reasoning here?
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Yeah I saw them. Are you saying that Google aren't simply brute forcing connections, or that they are looking at meaning, or both?
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well first did you read the article I mentioned? might be easier, since the sense in which eg MC methods are brute force as opposed to coding knowledge-based heuristics will be clear if you see Hofstadter’s contrast btw AI and “understanding”
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Read the article. I agree with Hoftsadter that google translate doesn't understand what its translating (similarly, AlphaGoZero doesn't understand go). I don't find that surprising or outrageous tho, it's just the nature of current approaches to AI (i.e. machine learning).
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Replying to @_Vimothy_ @QuasLacrimas
I'm still not sure I understand your second point. Do you think that eventually meaning will yield to brute force methods?
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