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    1. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Jan 11
      Replying to @cyborg_nomade @manwblueguitar and

      For example - war (a social process) produces more war; war is an artificial intelligence. Do you agree with that?

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    2. inhumane kantian‏ @cyborg_nomade Jan 11
      Replying to @_Vimothy_ @manwblueguitar and

      if it actually produces ever more war, i certainly do.

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    3. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Jan 11
      Replying to @cyborg_nomade @manwblueguitar and

      is that an important qualification to ur definition, that a process is only intelligent if it produces more of itself *forever*?

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    4. inhumane kantian‏ @cyborg_nomade Jan 11
      Replying to @_Vimothy_ @manwblueguitar and

      it can cease to be intelligent, of course.

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    5. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Jan 11
      Replying to @cyborg_nomade @manwblueguitar and

      Its an interesting way of looking at intelligence biut to call it idiosyncratic would be an understatement

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    6. Schwundfꙫrm  😔 ➡️ 🤔 ➡️ 😔'‏ @adornofthagn Jan 11
      Replying to @_Vimothy_ @cyborg_nomade and

      There is nothing idiosyncratic about the notion that intelligence must necessarily transcend what an individual human is capable of

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    7. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Jan 11
      Replying to @adornofthagn @cyborg_nomade and

      is there something idiosyncratic about describing capital as an intelligence? war? a housing bubble?

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    8. Schwundfꙫrm  😔 ➡️ 🤔 ➡️ 😔'‏ @adornofthagn Jan 11
      Replying to @_Vimothy_ @cyborg_nomade and

      to the extent that those are self-sophisticating processes, which admittedly isn't as readily apparent or necessarily true with bubbles and war as it is with capital, no

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    9. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Jan 11
      Replying to @adornofthagn @cyborg_nomade and

      "self-sophisticating" seems slightly different to the earlier definition. what do you mean by it?

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    10. Schwundfꙫrm  😔 ➡️ 🤔 ➡️ 😔'‏ @adornofthagn Jan 11
      Replying to @_Vimothy_ @cyborg_nomade and

      not really sure if it is meaningfully distinguishable from self-enhancement or intensification tbh, as those terms entail that the process becomes 'smarter', i.e. more efficient and reactive, and better at making itself smarter

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      Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Jan 11
      Replying to @adornofthagn @cyborg_nomade and

      war is clearly a process that tends towards intensification. Like a housing bubble, it has an escalatory or self-fulfilling dynamic. therefore (according to this theory) war is an artificial intelligence. likewise for asset bubbles

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        2. Schwundfꙫrm  😔 ➡️ 🤔 ➡️ 😔'‏ @adornofthagn Jan 11
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @cyborg_nomade and

          the problem is that individual wars and bubbles normally come to an end, in a way that capital doesn't, so I guess my take would be that to the extent that they are intelligent, they are so as part of the larger process of capital

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        3. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Jan 11
          Replying to @adornofthagn @cyborg_nomade and

          why is that a problem? are you saying that a process cannot be considered to be an artificial intelligence unless it goes on forever?

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        4. Schwundfꙫrm  😔 ➡️ 🤔 ➡️ 😔'‏ @adornofthagn Jan 11
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @cyborg_nomade and

          let me put it this way, the more it goes on, all the while self-sophisticating, the intelligenterer it obviously is or, alternatively: if it stops, it also stops being intelligent (unless its beginning and end are just part of a larger process, that is)

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        5. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Jan 11
          Replying to @adornofthagn @cyborg_nomade and

          where do you fit humans into this schema? are humans intelligent beings?

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        6. Schwundfꙫrm  😔 ➡️ 🤔 ➡️ 😔'‏ @adornofthagn Jan 11
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @cyborg_nomade and

          The problem with that way of framing it imo is that it conceives of intelligence as an individual property of clearly distinguishable entities, when I'd prefer to view it as a process that operates via the complex interactions of any such identifiable things, including humans ofc

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        7. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Jan 11
          Replying to @adornofthagn @cyborg_nomade and

          in other words, a process - such as a war or a financial bubble - involving humans can be intelligent (if it exhibits the escalatory, "self-enhancing" principle), but individual humans cannot

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        8. Schwundfꙫrm  😔 ➡️ 🤔 ➡️ 😔'‏ @adornofthagn Jan 11
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @cyborg_nomade and

          humans are processes too u know... and no, processes are not so much intelligent, as intelligence is itself a process, actualized through processes

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        9. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Jan 11
          Replying to @adornofthagn @cyborg_nomade and

          so capital (indeed any process) is not, in the final analysis, intelligent?

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