righties forgot that you need to invest in public works to establish common sense. You cant just scream "well thats big government" and expect this values and traditions to stick
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Certainly, when the "thin liberalism" of the Right meets the "thick liberalism" of the Left, the latter almost always prevails (as the more extreme version of anything tends to be prevail when confronted by a less developed version of itself).
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Replying to @Monty_Marmion @charliebrown991 and
it's hard for right liberals to argue with a position that takes its (shared) premises to their logical conclusions
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Replying to @_Vimothy_ @Monty_Marmion and
The left is developing liberalism towards leftism as documented w/ Mill and other converts of that nature. I don't know that the right *has* to abandon liberalism altogether, it just has to apply a few critiques of it.
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Replying to @averyfjames @Monty_Marmion and
the problem is that it's hard to develop a principled critique of liberalism if you already accept its core principles. you end up arguing for what seems like ad hoc exceptions based on personal prejudice, which is not inspiring or even very appealing to many
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Replying to @_Vimothy_ @Monty_Marmion and
On the contrary, I think "ad hoc exceptions based on personal prejudice" have proved very appealing to political masses, but I see your point on the actual principles of an intellectual tradition as opposed to a political movement.
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Replying to @averyfjames @Monty_Marmion and
sry, should have qualified my final statement. I find exceptions based on personal prejudice appealing as well, provided it's my prejudice. in the long run tho this lacks widespread intellectual appeal and isn't coherent enough to provide an alternative to liberalism
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Replying to @_Vimothy_ @averyfjames and
hence the common complaint that conservatives have failed to conserve those things that matter most and have instead negotiated a protracted retreat
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Replying to @_Vimothy_ @Monty_Marmion and
The safe middle class suburbia of order and good-paying non-college jobs that so many rank and file right-wing Republican voters desire is certainly lost, but it seems foolish to pretend it was an long-held tradition in America, as opposed to a result of New Deal liberalism.
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Replying to @averyfjames @_Vimothy_ and
If you think I'm drawing up a strawman, feel free to point to broader decline in Christianity, community, etc. But I think a lot of right-wing voters saying "Paul Ryan hasn't conserved a damn thing!" are correct and yet have far less higher ambitions than you do.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you here, except to note that both new deal liberalism and what republican voters desire are effects as well as causes
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