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    1. Ben Sixsmith‏ @BDSixsmith Sep 26

      New by me, "Andrew Sullivan's Paper-Thin Conservatism" https://bsixsmith.wordpress.com/2018/09/26/andrew-sullivans-paper-thin-conservatism/ …pic.twitter.com/0lGqobCp3U

      4 replies 5 retweets 22 likes
    2. Roger Rabit‏ @charliebrown991 Sep 26
      Replying to @BDSixsmith

      Good piece Ben! But i wonder if there isnt a form of Obamas Right Side of History still going on here. If conservatives had successfully maintained a sense of tradition and order would conservatives even need to argue against liberal movements in good faith.

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Roger Rabit‏ @charliebrown991 Sep 26
      Replying to @charliebrown991 @BDSixsmith

      Wouldnt many conservatives just dismiss many of these liberal positions out of "disgust" or "revulsion"?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Avery James‏ @averyfjames Sep 26
      Replying to @charliebrown991 @BDSixsmith

      It works until it doesn't. For example, I predict the right has at most 5 years to keep referring to mere stigma of prostitution as an argument against it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    5. Ben Sixsmith‏ @BDSixsmith Sep 26
      Replying to @averyfjames @charliebrown991

      Yes I think you're right. Conservatives are far more naive when it comes to assuming that public opinion favours them than leftists are.

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    6. Monty‏ @Monty_Marmion Sep 26
      Replying to @BDSixsmith @averyfjames @charliebrown991

      Silent majority mate! So silent you can't even hear it scream...

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    7. Monty‏ @Monty_Marmion Sep 26
      Replying to @Monty_Marmion @BDSixsmith and

      Of course, the "logic" of the two creeds has much to do with this. Leftists are explicitly dedicated to the transformation of public opinion (not quite the same thing as popular sentiment, of course). Rightists claim, often tendentiously, to represent "common sense."

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    8. Roger Rabit‏ @charliebrown991 Sep 26
      Replying to @Monty_Marmion @BDSixsmith @averyfjames

      righties forgot that you need to invest in public works to establish common sense. You cant just scream "well thats big government" and expect this values and traditions to stick

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    9. Monty‏ @Monty_Marmion Sep 26
      Replying to @charliebrown991 @BDSixsmith @averyfjames

      Certainly, when the "thin liberalism" of the Right meets the "thick liberalism" of the Left, the latter almost always prevails (as the more extreme version of anything tends to be prevail when confronted by a less developed version of itself).

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      Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Sep 26
      Replying to @Monty_Marmion @charliebrown991 and

      it's hard for right liberals to argue with a position that takes its (shared) premises to their logical conclusions

      9:32 AM - 26 Sep 2018
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        2. Ben Sixsmith‏ @BDSixsmith Sep 26
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @Monty_Marmion and

          The nationalist blogger Lawrence Auster had a nice term called "the unprincipled exception" which describes the kind of vague, tentative objections to progressivism that liberal conservatives make

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Avery James‏ @averyfjames Sep 26
          Replying to @BDSixsmith @_Vimothy_ and

          I suppose the issue is I'd rather live with the unprincipled exceptions of liberal conservatives than the principles of someone as reactionary as Lawrence Auster. Fine to read him and pick out a thing or two, but application is obviously cut short by ... everything else he says.

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        4. Avery James‏ @averyfjames Sep 26
          Replying to @averyfjames @BDSixsmith and

          It's the same with Sam T. Francis. You can find some insights useful for explaining modern politics as Brooks and Dougherty have covered in columns referencing him. But other than a topic for a weekly column; forget it, you're confronted by their frothing at the mouth racism.

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        2. Avery James‏ @averyfjames Sep 26
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @Monty_Marmion and

          The left is developing liberalism towards leftism as documented w/ Mill and other converts of that nature. I don't know that the right *has* to abandon liberalism altogether, it just has to apply a few critiques of it.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Sep 26
          Replying to @averyfjames @Monty_Marmion and

          the problem is that it's hard to develop a principled critique of liberalism if you already accept its core principles. you end up arguing for what seems like ad hoc exceptions based on personal prejudice, which is not inspiring or even very appealing to many

          2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
        4. Avery James‏ @averyfjames Sep 26
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @Monty_Marmion and

          On the contrary, I think "ad hoc exceptions based on personal prejudice" have proved very appealing to political masses, but I see your point on the actual principles of an intellectual tradition as opposed to a political movement.

          2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
        5. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Sep 26
          Replying to @averyfjames @Monty_Marmion and

          sry, should have qualified my final statement. I find exceptions based on personal prejudice appealing as well, provided it's my prejudice. in the long run tho this lacks widespread intellectual appeal and isn't coherent enough to provide an alternative to liberalism

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        6. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Sep 26
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @averyfjames and

          hence the common complaint that conservatives have failed to conserve those things that matter most and have instead negotiated a protracted retreat

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        7. Avery James‏ @averyfjames Sep 26
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @Monty_Marmion and

          The safe middle class suburbia of order and good-paying non-college jobs that so many rank and file right-wing Republican voters desire is certainly lost, but it seems foolish to pretend it was an long-held tradition in America, as opposed to a result of New Deal liberalism.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Avery James‏ @averyfjames Sep 26
          Replying to @averyfjames @_Vimothy_ and

          If you think I'm drawing up a strawman, feel free to point to broader decline in Christianity, community, etc. But I think a lot of right-wing voters saying "Paul Ryan hasn't conserved a damn thing!" are correct and yet have far less higher ambitions than you do.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        9. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Sep 27
          Replying to @averyfjames @Monty_Marmion and

          I don't necessarily disagree with you here, except to note that both new deal liberalism and what republican voters desire are effects as well as causes

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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