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    1. Nils Gilman‏ @nils_gilman Jul 25

      The creation of micro-segmented online communities filled ever more extreme and provocative content is not an intended goal of the social media companies, but rather an *emergent effect* of social media algorithms optimized to capture as much user attention as possible.

      5 replies 4 retweets 30 likes
    2. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Jul 26
      Replying to @nils_gilman @zenpundit

      seems intuitively correct but *why* do these optimizations have that effect?

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    3. Oliver Sampson‏ @oliversampson Jul 27
      Replying to @_Vimothy_ @nils_gilman @zenpundit

      Because the algorithms amplify what makes one group different from the other groups.

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    4. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Jul 27
      Replying to @oliversampson @nils_gilman @zenpundit

      how so? why?

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    5. Oliver Sampson‏ @oliversampson Jul 27
      Replying to @_Vimothy_ @nils_gilman @zenpundit

      The differences in content are important: if one group seems to use the words "yarn" and "needles" a lot, it will tend to be offered content with those words. The high correlation between some groupings of words are used to drive the content feed.

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    6. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Jul 27
      Replying to @oliversampson @nils_gilman @zenpundit

      why does this tend to produce "ever more extreme and provocative content"?

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    7. Oliver Sampson‏ @oliversampson Jul 27
      Replying to @_Vimothy_ @nils_gilman @zenpundit

      Because those key terms are what makes it extreme. I'm sure there are also hardcore knitting groups and hardcore groups devoted to polydactyl tabbies, but they generally don't kill people so you never hear about them.

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    8. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Jul 27
      Replying to @oliversampson @nils_gilman @zenpundit

      Im not sure if that's what the OP refers to. imo its generally the case that online communities are becoming more extreme, partisan, enclosed, etc, not just communities that were extreme or predisposed to extremity in the first place.

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      Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Jul 27
      Replying to @_Vimothy_ @oliversampson and

      it also seems that there was a prior state in which less extreme content was also satisfying on some level, why isn't this content being selected by the recommendation engines?

      2:46 AM - 27 Jul 2018
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        2. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Jul 27
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @oliversampson and

          there are probably numerous optima satisfying the maximsation problem, why is it that we end up stuck in the most socially destructive one?

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        3. Oliver Sampson‏ @oliversampson Jul 27
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @nils_gilman @zenpundit

          That's confirmation bias and the law of large numbers. You just haven't noticed all of the other non-socially destructive, yet still frothy, communities of Deaf Veteran Philatelists for Christ or whatever.

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        4. Vimothy‏ @_Vimothy_ Jul 27
          Replying to @oliversampson @nils_gilman @zenpundit

          but that's my point - why are we stuck at these optima *across the board*?

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        1. Oliver Sampson‏ @oliversampson Jul 27
          Replying to @_Vimothy_ @nils_gilman @zenpundit

          Extremists and the content are in a symbiotic relationship. As the content gets more extreme, number of members of that group declines. The level of extremism and the number of members rise and fall respectively until maintains a self-sustaining equilibrium. #researchprojects

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