in other words, the eu is not completely new, but neither is it completely old. the constitutional order can be defined in terms of its historical epoch and in this respect the eu can be seen to represent the transition from the nation state to whatever will replace it
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Replying to @_Vimothy_
I think that view was tenable and prevelant up to the Greek financial crisis. The EU is actually antiquated (it’s basically bodged together treaties + a bureaucracy) when compared to the emerging technologies and social organisations that will route around it.
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antiquated it a relative term. the eu is antiquated compared to, say, twitter, but not other constitutional forms like the nation state. going back to the OP, whatever is emerging (whether that is best represented by the eu or something else) will be a new constitutional order...
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- i.e., another form of the state - and not its disappearance and replacement with some sort of fantastical deleuzian apparatus
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The migrant crisis is a fantastic Deleuzian apparatus in actuality. Just wait till they’re armed. Another aspect, in London there are slums with 6 to a room for the Dleiveroo & Uber drivers (came in clinging to the Eurostar). “Technomads” (filthy word) roam about at the classy...
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...level. The EU doesn’t even fulfill the basic requirements of being an old-style state, let alone something new. Let the old men of the EU move their marinara chess pieces around their imaginary board. The nomads are remaking Europe.
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the requirements of being a state are not static, and those "marinara chess pieces" have done more damage than your immigrant war-machine, which is an epiphenomenon of the drive to totalise and globalise the liberal state
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I don’t doubt my old men are still powerful, just not as much as they think. And I wouldn’t characterise the migrants as an “immigrant war machine”. Violence associated with mass migration is just one possibility, there are others—though I chose the most dramatic.
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"war machine" is a concept used by deleuze and guattari to represent something like the principle of autonomous revolutionary opposition to the state
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True. I’d forgotten that. I don’t see myself as “Deleuzian”. I just happened to read a book & ideas formed. About 7yrs ago I worked on a project to do with natural disasters & I had this vision of a “walking city” modelled on Pripyat’s evacuated people. Influences my thought now.
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D&G is hippie nonsense imo, but it seems inescapable nowadays
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As with a lot of contemporary French philosophers, they should be read as creative non-fiction not as straight philosophy or political analysis. It’s another way of seeing, and ultimately essential due to the theatrical nature of politics itself.
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