Oh, hold up -- I mean, experiencing something is simple, in that it's what happens anyhow; "being with" the experience actually does involve a kind of differentiation / meta move -- for example, self-accompaniment, like what Sarah Peyton talks about in Your Resonant Self
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There is one modality that we mentioned that I think would claim to be ultimately correct and that's the Dzogchen approach... (but this one is a culmination of deep insight so not very broadly accessible). Seeing the perfect nature of any and all experience.
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Yes, but don't you think people who pursue that route have more muted emotions?
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It's hard to answer in any real ways when it comes to Dzogchen but my intuition is that the answer to this question would be something like... Yes, No, Neither & Both...
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Replying to @JaredJanes @ShapesOfEmpathy and
A solid Dzogchen practitioner feels emotion directly with the weight of its full intensity. The confidence to engage with disturbances is rooted in direct knowledge that the emotion has a dependent nature and therefore will spontaneously dissolve.
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On this I just wonder where cognition comes in. With broader cognition, we see jealousy is not about us, for example. So we wouldn't have jealousy in the first place to 'fully inhale'.
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That is to say, we feel jealousy when we make something about us, but looking at the big picture it is rarely personal.
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Replying to @ShapesOfEmpathy @JaredJanes and
You nailed it. Jealousy give us pause to reify significant self. Jealousy a narrative device that is associated with a specific sensation in the body. We dissociate from sensation to the dissociative power of ‘jealousy’. We r uncomfortable with the dance of irresolvable content.
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Replying to @techgnostic @ShapesOfEmpathy and
Any thoughts on social emotions vs primary emotions? Social emotions such as jealousy/shame/guilt/Brahmaviharas seem easier to evoke and train compared to primary emotions like interest/anger/grief.
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Replying to @_StevenFan @ShapesOfEmpathy and
States of ‘affective arousal’ tend to be primal feeling responses that do not seem to require evolved self-sense. We tend to frame interpretations of these arousal states to contruct relational narratives (jealousy, avarice, etc). Narrative = longer shelf life.
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self implied in emotional stance but not explicitly constructed, vs cognitive sense-of-self and identity with it required for relational emotions which build on top of affective templates
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