No. You talked about various frameworks to respond to and view emotions. I was just adding that it's impossibly complicated. You didn't claim any were 'correct'.
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Oh, yah -- getting emotions "right" is definitely impossibly complicated. Being with the experience is sort of "simple," in that it's what happens anyway, and you can also dive deep into the dance of complexity/awareness, and come out the other side into flow.
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Replying to @SarahAMcManus @ShapesOfEmpathy and
Oh, hold up -- I mean, experiencing something is simple, in that it's what happens anyhow; "being with" the experience actually does involve a kind of differentiation / meta move -- for example, self-accompaniment, like what Sarah Peyton talks about in Your Resonant Self
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There is one modality that we mentioned that I think would claim to be ultimately correct and that's the Dzogchen approach... (but this one is a culmination of deep insight so not very broadly accessible). Seeing the perfect nature of any and all experience.
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Yes, but don't you think people who pursue that route have more muted emotions?
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It's hard to answer in any real ways when it comes to Dzogchen but my intuition is that the answer to this question would be something like... Yes, No, Neither & Both...
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Replying to @JaredJanes @ShapesOfEmpathy and
A solid Dzogchen practitioner feels emotion directly with the weight of its full intensity. The confidence to engage with disturbances is rooted in direct knowledge that the emotion has a dependent nature and therefore will spontaneously dissolve.
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Replying to @techgnostic @JaredJanes and
On this I just wonder where cognition comes in. With broader cognition, we see jealousy is not about us, for example. So we wouldn't have jealousy in the first place to 'fully inhale'.
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Replying to @ShapesOfEmpathy @techgnostic and
That is to say, we feel jealousy when we make something about us, but looking at the big picture it is rarely personal.
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Replying to @ShapesOfEmpathy @JaredJanes and
You nailed it. Jealousy give us pause to reify significant self. Jealousy a narrative device that is associated with a specific sensation in the body. We dissociate from sensation to the dissociative power of ‘jealousy’. We r uncomfortable with the dance of irresolvable content.
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Any thoughts on social emotions vs primary emotions? Social emotions such as jealousy/shame/guilt/Brahmaviharas seem easier to evoke and train compared to primary emotions like interest/anger/grief.
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Replying to @_StevenFan @ShapesOfEmpathy and
States of ‘affective arousal’ tend to be primal feeling responses that do not seem to require evolved self-sense. We tend to frame interpretations of these arousal states to contruct relational narratives (jealousy, avarice, etc). Narrative = longer shelf life.
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Replying to @techgnostic @ShapesOfEmpathy and
self implied in emotional stance but not explicitly constructed, vs cognitive sense-of-self and identity with it required for relational emotions which build on top of affective templates
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