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🌕😈☀️ "Nasty little Buddhist" Seeking via neuroscience and psychology informed dharma.

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    1. Robert N Stonehill‏ @ShapesOfEmpathy Apr 10
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      Replying to @SarahAMcManus @cognazor @JaredJanes

      No. You talked about various frameworks to respond to and view emotions. I was just adding that it's impossibly complicated. You didn't claim any were 'correct'.

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    2. Sarah McManus‏ @SarahAMcManus Apr 10
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      Replying to @ShapesOfEmpathy @cognazor @JaredJanes

      Oh, yah -- getting emotions "right" is definitely impossibly complicated. Being with the experience is sort of "simple," in that it's what happens anyway, and you can also dive deep into the dance of complexity/awareness, and come out the other side into flow.

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    3. Sarah McManus‏ @SarahAMcManus Apr 10
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      Oh, hold up -- I mean, experiencing something is simple, in that it's what happens anyhow; "being with" the experience actually does involve a kind of differentiation / meta move -- for example, self-accompaniment, like what Sarah Peyton talks about in Your Resonant Self

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    4. Jared Janes‏ @JaredJanes Apr 10
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      Replying to @SarahAMcManus @ShapesOfEmpathy @cognazor

      There is one modality that we mentioned that I think would claim to be ultimately correct and that's the Dzogchen approach... (but this one is a culmination of deep insight so not very broadly accessible). Seeing the perfect nature of any and all experience.

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    5. Robert N Stonehill‏ @ShapesOfEmpathy Apr 10
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      Replying to @JaredJanes @SarahAMcManus @cognazor

      Yes, but don't you think people who pursue that route have more muted emotions?

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    6. Jared Janes‏ @JaredJanes Apr 10
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      Replying to @ShapesOfEmpathy @SarahAMcManus @cognazor

      It's hard to answer in any real ways when it comes to Dzogchen but my intuition is that the answer to this question would be something like... Yes, No, Neither & Both...

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    7. Peter McEwen‏ @techgnostic Apr 10
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      Replying to @JaredJanes @ShapesOfEmpathy and

      A solid Dzogchen practitioner feels emotion directly with the weight of its full intensity. The confidence to engage with disturbances is rooted in direct knowledge that the emotion has a dependent nature and therefore will spontaneously dissolve.

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    8. Robert N Stonehill‏ @ShapesOfEmpathy Apr 10
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      Replying to @techgnostic @JaredJanes and

      On this I just wonder where cognition comes in. With broader cognition, we see jealousy is not about us, for example. So we wouldn't have jealousy in the first place to 'fully inhale'.

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    9. Robert N Stonehill‏ @ShapesOfEmpathy Apr 10
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      Replying to @ShapesOfEmpathy @techgnostic and

      That is to say, we feel jealousy when we make something about us, but looking at the big picture it is rarely personal.

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    10. Peter McEwen‏ @techgnostic Apr 10
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      Replying to @ShapesOfEmpathy @JaredJanes and

      You nailed it. Jealousy give us pause to reify significant self. Jealousy a narrative device that is associated with a specific sensation in the body. We dissociate from sensation to the dissociative power of ‘jealousy’. We r uncomfortable with the dance of irresolvable content.

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      Steven Fan‏ @_StevenFan Apr 10
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      Replying to @techgnostic @ShapesOfEmpathy and

      Any thoughts on social emotions vs primary emotions? Social emotions such as jealousy/shame/guilt/Brahmaviharas seem easier to evoke and train compared to primary emotions like interest/anger/grief.

      1:55 PM - 10 Apr 2020
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        2. Peter McEwen‏ @techgnostic Apr 10
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          Replying to @_StevenFan @ShapesOfEmpathy and

          States of ‘affective arousal’ tend to be primal feeling responses that do not seem to require evolved self-sense. We tend to frame interpretations of these arousal states to contruct relational narratives (jealousy, avarice, etc). Narrative = longer shelf life.

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        3. Steven Fan‏ @_StevenFan Apr 10
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          Replying to @techgnostic @ShapesOfEmpathy and

          self implied in emotional stance but not explicitly constructed, vs cognitive sense-of-self and identity with it required for relational emotions which build on top of affective templates

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