I have no idea what the fuck people are talking about when they talk about meditation.
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Replying to @crystalteardro2
I guess I'm more talking about the effects. If your effects are not just, "I don't have conceptual thought anymore", then I have no idea what kind of meditation you're doing.
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Replying to @questionaware @crystalteardro2
Long-time meditator here. Two points: 1. There are some public figures in various traditions who will say things that approximate to ""I don't have conceptual thought anymore". But if you listen, they will clarify and qualify that statement.
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1 ct'd: These people - who come from various practice approaches/traditions - will usually specify that their resting/baseline psychological state is one close to pure sensory perception, w/o an inner "narrative"
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and with a lot of inner equipoise - so much, to the extent that they exercise some effortless choice about whether they choose to engage in conceptual thinking or not. Meditation, at a certain level, becomes a kind of mind and perception training.
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2. I have some attainments in this domain, and I'mma hazard a hypothesis about what might be happening. I think that meditation is also nervous-system training, cleaning, refactoring.
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I strongly suspect that there is some very fine-grained neuroplasticity happening that has very significant effects for the practitioner's subjective experience. And yet it happens on very fine grained levels where it is difficult to point to objective neurological correlates
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would be interested if there's anything u know about fine-grained neuroplasticity research. I'm reading older stuff 50s-80s on emotional centers where experimental technique is ablation or stimulation by probe.
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