septal area is responsible for the most desirable self stimulation- it's intensely pleasurable and has a sexual flavor (there were some human electrode studies)
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the lateral hypothalamic corridor is distinct from the septal area, is also a site of self stimulation, and responds unconditionally to bodily need state. it's the neuroanatomy that Panksepp's SEEKING system is concentrated in it's responsible for anticipation of reward
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there maybe other pleasure systems i am not familiar with but there is neuroanatomical basis for pleasure to arise independently of activity of SEEKING
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Replying to @_StevenFan @QiaochuYuan
Do you think we can transcend this pleasure in our practice as we transcend suffering or desire?
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Replying to @Cantide1 @QiaochuYuan
i don't know if seeking (lower case here because it's outside of a scientific context) ends, I know I have not fully investigated: i still get a sense of seeking for the stream of experience and a sense it maybe extra seeking maybe also what is referred to as tanha
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i've greatly reduced grosser seeking/thirst/motivated interest, so i know this is a dimension it maybe possible to move further along
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i don't think it's possible to transcend hedonic tone i think it's possible to transcend attachment to, seeking of, hedonic tone
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Replying to @_StevenFan @QiaochuYuan
Can you expand on why you dont think it's possible to transcend hedonistic tone? Initial reaction, I feel like I disagree.
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Replying to @Cantide1 @QiaochuYuan
by transcend hedonic tone i would mean, the end of perceptions of pleasurable, neutral, displeasurable i think they are too tied in with basic perception but i've transformed sever pain which I wanted to end into... still unpleasant but something which I'd surrendered to
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Replying to @_StevenFan @QiaochuYuan
I've done this as well. But I disagree, I think we can totally see stimulus in a completely neutral manner, totally dispassionate, pain or pleasure. I've done it and it is written about a lot. Methinks you need to go deeper into the Jhanas, friend.
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true, lots for me to explore :)
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