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    1. Afro Unicorn‏ @NaitwaGacheri Nov 8

      Afro Unicorn Retweeted Social Experiment

      This is a very middle-class male view of the matter. Actually churches started doing this in response to a highly classed and highly gendered problem. Circumcision is ridiculously expensive socially and financially.https://twitter.com/MediaMK/status/1060538252942327808 …

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      Social Experiment @MediaMK
      It’s circumcision season in Central Kenya and the new wave is to send your child away for two weeks at a Church owned camp CAN NEVER BE ME I will to take care of my own child post-op
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    2. George Gathìgì‏ @SpryVoice Nov 9
      Replying to @NaitwaGacheri

      Thanks for your response. As @ZakxMutugi says, it's quite interesting. You argue this is a middle-class male view of the matter. Well, the alt-rite is not a practice of the masses or the real rural population. It is a privileged's urban thing.

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    3. George Gathìgì‏ @SpryVoice Nov 9
      Replying to @SpryVoice @NaitwaGacheri @ZakxMutugi

      So if the alt-rite is a means of inclusion, it fails spectacularly. Two, you are right about rite of passage and belonging. In my view, the first part subsumes the second. I says this is a male Gikuyu (so my understanding is shaped by those two experiences).

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    4. George Gathìgì‏ @SpryVoice Nov 9
      Replying to @SpryVoice @NaitwaGacheri @ZakxMutugi

      Your interpretation is probably shaped by your understanding of the process. Here we may different. But we can as well looked as the gendered aspect and church. First, PCEA church which you reference has sat at an interesting intersection with African cultural practices.

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    5. George Gathìgì‏ @SpryVoice Nov 9
      Replying to @SpryVoice @NaitwaGacheri @ZakxMutugi

      But let's talk about belonging and rite of passage. I don't know about your view about rite of passage. What I can tell you is for most of us Gikuyu men, the rite is inculcated from early years of boyhood. It's one of the most salient elements of both masculinity and patriarchy.

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    6. George Gathìgì‏ @SpryVoice Nov 9
      Replying to @SpryVoice @NaitwaGacheri @ZakxMutugi

      How big is family type this socialisation. The masculine ideas that birth Gikuyu male identity plays in a different social sphere, in most of our experience. The environment (social-econ class and space) is a big factor in mediating this. I am not sure about nature of relations.

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    7. George Gathìgì‏ @SpryVoice Nov 9
      Replying to @SpryVoice @NaitwaGacheri @ZakxMutugi

      What I know about my generations (90s) and up to the millennium in my similar environment, we went and negotiated it with our fathers (or uncles). If you grew up in Dagoretti area, you said "I want to go to Rufus:" If you grew in Ngong, "I want to go to Mwangi."

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    8. George Gathìgì‏ @SpryVoice Nov 9
      Replying to @SpryVoice @NaitwaGacheri @ZakxMutugi

      There are other realities that affected this-- finishing class 8 for example was a good signal irrespective of age. My point, women role in male circumcision has historically been limited. Secondly, male relatives are more likely to fill in the gap.

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    9. George Gathìgì‏ @SpryVoice Nov 9
      Replying to @SpryVoice @NaitwaGacheri @ZakxMutugi

      I don't get the point of 'mother doing it.' It sounds like special circumstances (I speak as an uncle to several single-mothered young men).

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    10. Afro Unicorn‏ @NaitwaGacheri Nov 9
      Replying to @SpryVoice @ZakxMutugi

      I think you missed my point here. I was contextualising how the church got involved. Most single mothers moved to urban areas and began raising their sons there until this time came along then her male relatives were unwilling to do it for her son and she couldn't do it herself.

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      Uncle Zack‏ @ZakxMutugi Nov 9
      Replying to @NaitwaGacheri @SpryVoice

      On this I agree with you, there seem to be a disconnect between some single mothers and their male kin on taking responsibility on the circumcision. Though I believe one can get a trusted male figure to take care of that...

      2:32 AM - 9 Nov 2018
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