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    Yossi Kreinin‏ @YossiKreinin 27 Aug 2019
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    Async/await is strictly worse than green threads, except that the latter might require runtime and/or ABI changes that you cannot push out, whereas async is front-end sugar mostly hiding the fact that you're passing callbacks to enable "single-stack green threading." Am I wrong?

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      2. Jakub Piotr Cłapa‏ @jpclap 27 Aug 2019
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        The main argument is that you know what may block. But maybe it is the same as checked exceptions in Java? In a modern system everything may block and everything may raise lots of exceptions. It’s impossible to micromanage both - you need to pin them down on architectural level.

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      3. Yossi Kreinin‏ @YossiKreinin 27 Aug 2019
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        This is also the main argument against async/await. This is like having to annotate functions using floats or files - very interesting info but there goes seamless composability

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      2. UriW‏ @WolfovitzUri 27 Aug 2019
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        גמרת אותי פה.

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      3. Yossi Kreinin‏ @YossiKreinin 27 Aug 2019
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        Come to Israel, I'll explain

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      2. shachaf‏ @shachaf 27 Aug 2019
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        It depends on what you count as "green threads" -- generating state machines directly can certainly be more efficient than stack switching.

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      3. Yossi Kreinin‏ @YossiKreinin 27 Aug 2019
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        An async call chain has to cost more than a setjmp at the innermost call, though we're talking peanuts either way

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      1. Eli Bendersky‏ @elibendersky 27 Aug 2019
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        Sounds pretty much on point [shameless plug: http://eli.thegreenplace.net/2018/concurrent-servers-part-6-callbacks-promises-and-asyncawait/ …]

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