I really enjoy her tweets but I'm becoming more and more inclined to see islam as the symptom rather than the disease. The disease is the tribalistic and clannish nature of arab societies, evidenced by the high degree of cousin marriage, that is far older than islam.
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It's a feedback loop. Islam is basically Arab tribalism codified into religious law, but made even worse by the self-serving agenda of its prophet. Arab Christians are still tribal, but not nearly as much.
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Exactly. Cultures change over time, but they are restricted from progress when the education, government, social structures etc etc are all based on a 1400 yr old book.
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Yeah, but the tribalism is the core problem. Gender apartheid and burkas make sense when you're planning to marry off your daughter to a cousin to strengthen famimy blood ties and keeppossessions within the family
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I’m not disagreeing that tribalism is a problem. I’m disagreeing that Islam isn’t the problem. Islam is the reason why the tribalism persists. There are 22 Arab countries-their individual level of tribalism correlates directly to their level of Sharia. Islam fossilizes tribalism.
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Yeah, I agree that explains a lot. Must be a reason why only muslim countries keep marrying their cousins. Mohammed was not a good role model in this aspect. The catholic church forbade it, something islamic sheiks cannot do.
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It’s the same reason why rape of children persists. You can’t make it illegal to marry a six year old if the greatest example of humanity for all time married a six year old.
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It's actually very interesting to see, in real time, how most people in these countries are made increasingly uncomfortable by such practices, but can't do anything about it due to conditioned religious beliefs.
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As Robert Trivers would say, parent-offspring conflict. It's never in the daughter's interest to be married off to a cousin as a child. But in a tribal society it can be in the parent's and the extended family's interest.
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Replying to @RealYeyoZa @awholeassburger and
Cousin marriage is not obligatory in islam, but they can't forbid it. Europe needed the prohibition of the medieval catholic church to drop the practice.
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Exactly. So you see now that if all these issues are the disease, it is Islam that is preventing any cure. So, essentially, Islam is the actual problem that has to be dealt w first...then progress can happen. That’s why secularism, separation of Mosque and State, is paramount.
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I think we agree, what I meant is that tribalism is the core reason for all the barbaric practices seen in islamic countries, islam is the problem in so far as it helps preserve tribalism. Only a few muslim countries have managed to get rid of tribalism. Like Bosnia.
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Replying to @RealYeyoZa @YasMohammedxx and
The question is whether it's easier to drop islam than to stop marrying their cousins? As long as society is tribal I doubt people are going to become secular, they have no incentives, when tribalism erodes I think secularism will follow. More easily than reverse.
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