I really appreciate the conversation, Tom, but I feel like we can’t get anywhere when I’m speaking as a women who lived under fundamentalist Islam and wore a niqab. There’s a huge chasm between our understandings and experiences w the topic.
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Replying to @YasMohammedxx @tomcoates and
I wish I still had my podcast and I’d invite you on to talk it out. Twitter makes it difficult to have such a conversation.
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Replying to @YasMohammedxx @ConfessionsExMu and
I totally understand, and I have such enormous sympathy and you’re right there is a massive gulf. I can only speak through analogy with people I have met who believe strongly and passionately things I cannot understand and seem to limit and damage their own lives.
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Replying to @tomcoates @ConfessionsExMu and
Whether that’s Christians arguing against divorce, or that they can’t ever experience love with a partner of the same sex, or believe that women are fundamentally inferior and must obey men - all of them seem totally insane to me, and I would argue against them all day...
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Replying to @tomcoates @ConfessionsExMu and
... I just don’t know how you make that final step and say *if* they are sane, rational adults who believe fundamentally that they’re doing the only right thing according to their faith, they *still* can’t choose to do it. Ever. For fear of punishment.
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Replying to @tomcoates @ConfessionsExMu and
That’s the only place I find myself very reticent to go, and would want there to be real overwhelming evidence that the majority of people concerned would welcome such a law before I did so. And even then it would scare me.
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Replying to @tomcoates @NorthCaliGrl and
I 100% understand. But like the laws re JW children that I cited. Sometimes your beliefs have to take a backseat. In situations where another person’s health or safety will be hindered because of your beliefs...I think that’s where the line is drawn.
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Replying to @YasMohammedxx @tomcoates and
Other examples are child marriage and FGM...also practices sanctioned by the religion, yet are illegal. How will humanity ever hope to progress if we allow thousand year old laws to supersede our modern laws?
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Replying to @YasMohammedxx @ConfessionsExMu and
Those again are clearer to me - people practicing things mostly on children that are clearly illegal for anyone to do of any faith. People without legal agency or the age to object. Again, this doesn’t feel the same because the women are adults.
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Replying to @tomcoates @NorthCaliGrl and
The ppl in danger are ppl in the society. Forget religion. It’s unsafe to have members of your population walking around w their identity hidden. Security cameras, eye witnesses etc, all those are rendered obsolete. It’s prohibited for the safety of all. No one should be exempt.
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But now we’re talking in circles, and I really will bow out. Again, I understand and appreciate your perspective. Thank you for taking the time to understand mine as well. Good night!
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