btw I did this thread of threads about incels the other day but there's one thing that journos who are new to the "genre" seem to get wrong: the "involuntary" part is rooted in entitlement and the belief that they didn't "choose" celibacy while simultaneously making it a choicehttps://twitter.com/redlightvoices/status/989114588913393665 …
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if you trace the belief system to its origins, you see that they claimed they were sexless because they were "denied" sex. But that evolved into an active choice to withdraw themselves from opportunities to have sex. There is an overlap between incels and some in "No Fap" groups
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in the very beginning, I'd say around 2011? 12? at least when I first noticed them, they were a sort of spin off of MRAs. They weren't fully formed politically (not in the way they are now, at least) and they still engaged in discussions about "how to have sex" or go on dates etc
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but eventually, they became politically attached to this label which, it should be noted, they turned into the most reactionary form of "identity politics" (while violently attacking PoC and other minorities for being "SJW").
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so, the mistake some journos are making, in my opinion, is taking the "involuntary" part in "incel" at face value. For many of these men there's nothing involuntary about it. It's an active choice.
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Let's not forget they came into existence when they felt that the pick up artists "failed" them because they were promised sex if they followed their techniques and when no sex materialized, they felt that they were victims of fraud
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at the very beginning (again, the TLs are a bit fuzzy but I'd say 2012 or so?), most of incel discourse was devoted to "exposing" the scam of pick up artistry. Because they had followed the "instructions" and failed to have sex.
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by forming these communities (which mostly happened on reddit and 4chan at the time), through in group dynamics, they "evolved" politically turning "inceldom" into a choice that was characterized by violent discussions abt how to harm women
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at the beginning they hated men who had relationships with women as much as they hated women. Again, that evolved and their main focus is now on harming women (though they sometimes express deep disdain for men they call "Chads" who are socially successful)
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It was a trip to see how they treated dudes who had learned how to be romantically and sexually viable to women who came back and tried to school their incel brethren. They and their suggestions were always aggressively dismissed.
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