sometimes it's useful to remember that a solution theoretically exist, because otherwise you'll adopt models where it doesn't exist
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Replying to @VesselOfSpirit
@VesselOfSpirit I'm not sure what the takeaway here is other than "it's still ok to hate people for giving into demonic temptations"1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @admittedlyhuman
@admittedlyhuman it's not practically useful to hate them, but denying that common standards of hatred imply hating them will imply errors2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @VesselOfSpirit
@VesselOfSpirit I guess you want to teach them virtue, or at least yell at them to become good, and this requires virtue to matter?3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @admittedlyhuman
@admittedlyhuman if the claim is "people wantonly cause suffering but hating them for it isn't useful", say that and not "people mean well"1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes -
Replying to @VesselOfSpirit
@VesselOfSpirit I don't think people talking about Moloch say "people mean well", they just think it's uninteresting what people mean2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes -
Replying to @admittedlyhuman
@VesselOfSpirit by convention intentions in reality only incentives and the void and all that1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes -
Replying to @admittedlyhuman
@admittedlyhuman people aren't perfectly selfish homo economicuses; have been known to not steal things they could get away with stealing1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @VesselOfSpirit
@VesselOfSpirit so what you're saying is, people mean well3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @admittedlyhuman
@admittedlyhuman i'm saying they can sometimes be gotten to mean well in some contexts1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
@admittedlyhuman and "humans follow incentives" isn't as fundamental a law as some people try to make it sound
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Replying to @VesselOfSpirit
@VesselOfSpirit@admittedlyhuman i like the tautological view where every action is just navigating a map of local emotional gradient1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @teleonomist
@VesselOfSpirit@admittedlyhuman the incentives are the evil things. we need to make people feel bad about being bad. then they follow incen0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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