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    1. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 1 Dec 2015
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      which is not to say that turning humans into rational utilitarians is the best solution. workarounds are very often more realistic

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    2. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 1 Dec 2015
      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit

      sometimes it's useful to remember that a solution theoretically exist, because otherwise you'll adopt models where it doesn't exist

      2 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
    3. Fakey Fakeson‏ @admittedlyhuman 1 Dec 2015
      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit

      @VesselOfSpirit I'm not sure what the takeaway here is other than "it's still ok to hate people for giving into demonic temptations"

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 1 Dec 2015
      Replying to @admittedlyhuman

      @admittedlyhuman it's not practically useful to hate them, but denying that common standards of hatred imply hating them will imply errors

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Fakey Fakeson‏ @admittedlyhuman 1 Dec 2015
      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit

      @VesselOfSpirit I guess you want to teach them virtue, or at least yell at them to become good, and this requires virtue to matter?

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 1 Dec 2015
      Replying to @admittedlyhuman

      @admittedlyhuman if the claim is "people wantonly cause suffering but hating them for it isn't useful", say that and not "people mean well"

      1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
    7. Fakey Fakeson‏ @admittedlyhuman 1 Dec 2015
      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit

      @VesselOfSpirit I don't think people talking about Moloch say "people mean well", they just think it's uninteresting what people mean

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    8. Fakey Fakeson‏ @admittedlyhuman 1 Dec 2015
      Replying to @admittedlyhuman

      @VesselOfSpirit by convention intentions in reality only incentives and the void and all that

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    9. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 1 Dec 2015
      Replying to @admittedlyhuman

      @admittedlyhuman people aren't perfectly selfish homo economicuses; have been known to not steal things they could get away with stealing

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    10. Fakey Fakeson‏ @admittedlyhuman 1 Dec 2015
      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit

      @VesselOfSpirit so what you're saying is, people mean well

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      Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 1 Dec 2015
      Replying to @admittedlyhuman

      @admittedlyhuman i'm saying they can sometimes be gotten to mean well in some contexts

      10:42 PM - 1 Dec 2015
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        2. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 1 Dec 2015
          Replying to @VesselOfSpirit

          @admittedlyhuman and "humans follow incentives" isn't as fundamental a law as some people try to make it sound

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. regret maximizer‏ @teleonomist 2 Dec 2015
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          @VesselOfSpirit @admittedlyhuman i like the tautological view where every action is just navigating a map of local emotional gradient

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        4. regret maximizer‏ @teleonomist 2 Dec 2015
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          @VesselOfSpirit @admittedlyhuman the incentives are the evil things. we need to make people feel bad about being bad. then they follow incen

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