"moloch" isn't an agent that dooms humans from the outside. it is the spawn of human deviation from the utilitarian standard
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Replying to @VesselOfSpirit
a universe of rational utilitarians has no "moloch" in it. "moloch" is what we call the parts of human vice that we can't work around
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Replying to @VesselOfSpirit
which is not to say that turning humans into rational utilitarians is the best solution. workarounds are very often more realistic
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Replying to @VesselOfSpirit
sometimes it's useful to remember that a solution theoretically exist, because otherwise you'll adopt models where it doesn't exist
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Replying to @VesselOfSpirit
@VesselOfSpirit I'm not sure what the takeaway here is other than "it's still ok to hate people for giving into demonic temptations"1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @admittedlyhuman
@admittedlyhuman it's not practically useful to hate them, but denying that common standards of hatred imply hating them will imply errors2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @VesselOfSpirit
@VesselOfSpirit I guess you want to teach them virtue, or at least yell at them to become good, and this requires virtue to matter?3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @admittedlyhuman
@admittedlyhuman if the claim is "people wantonly cause suffering but hating them for it isn't useful", say that and not "people mean well"1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes -
Replying to @VesselOfSpirit
@VesselOfSpirit I don't think people talking about Moloch say "people mean well", they just think it's uninteresting what people mean2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes -
Replying to @admittedlyhuman
@VesselOfSpirit by convention intentions in reality only incentives and the void and all that1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
@admittedlyhuman people aren't perfectly selfish homo economicuses; have been known to not steal things they could get away with stealing
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Replying to @VesselOfSpirit
@VesselOfSpirit so what you're saying is, people mean well3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @admittedlyhuman
@VesselOfSpirit I will admit to liking the demon-haunted-world metaphor, but I agree that moral indoctrination can pump against incentives1 reply 0 retweets 1 like - 29 more replies
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