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    1. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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      i mean, both probably have to say what persons are, but egoists additionally have to say which person is the self. across time and change

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    2. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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      and the decision-making self isn't the life-experiencing self. at best, they live in the same brain and interact a lot

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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      so the "ego" in egoism is misleading. it's the agent self acting on behalf of the patient self that is nearest to it and most entangled

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    4. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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      not the agent self acting for the sake of the agent self

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    5. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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      there's two kinds of egoism. one is saying things similar to you matter more, the other is saying things that *are* you matter more

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    6. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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      as in, my judgments as to what a good life is are irreducible. they are caused by me being me and that makes them be of a certain character

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    7. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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      that's the former thing and i think it's in some sense, to some extent, not mistaken

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    8. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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      the latter thing is a different person experiencing the exact same life as you has different value than you

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    9. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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      and it seems like a lot of effort to make sense out of that and by the time i've tried i no longer have the intuition that i should

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    10. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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      humans are arguably programmed to model themselves and other people differently. even when the exact same things go on inside

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      Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015

      and once you realize this, valuing yourself more because you happen to be in the same brain no longer seems as appealing

      3:08 PM - 4 Mar 2015
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        2. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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          my brain feels you exist less when you're far away. but my brain is just wrong on that point. (modulo weird simulation measure stuff)

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        3. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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          or maybe my brain doesn't distinguish between existence and importance-given-existence. it uses heuristics interpretable both ways

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        4. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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          at times when i grok that what it is like to me be is what it is like to be you, an egoistic component to morality is no longer common sense

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        5. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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          at those times, i think i want you to have a good-life-according-to-me no less than i want me to have a good-life-according-to-me

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        6. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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          or maybe just not much less. but you need a huge egoism/groupism multiplication factor to get common sense back

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        7. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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          at least if you accept linear aggregation, which is another somewhat separate source of possible objections

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        8. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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          i don't necessarily accept linear aggregation, but i don't think it's broken in the simple ways that people say it is, either

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        9. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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          nonlinear aggregation is *weird*. "how much should i care about this person? best figure out who else there is in the whole universe first"

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        10. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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          i haven't really seen people successfully reduce common sense to a bunch of principles

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        11. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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          you can successfully say "screw any principles, whatever i feel like doing is correct"

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        12. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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          but then what if you run into a decision where you feel that it's really important but you don't have clear feelings about what's correct

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        13. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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          i run into decisions like that all the time

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        14. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 4 Mar 2015
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          also i don't want to screw principles. it's not what i want, stop telling me what i want

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