If the beginning of a process is "politics is the mind killer" and the end is ideologically motivated banlists then someone got screwed no matter how you frame it
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not clear to me why you think the latter happened because of the former instead of despite the former
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at the very least it didn't work!
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depends on how bad the problem would otherwise have been
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"Ok guys, we're all honest so let's leave our doors open." "OMG you robbed me!" "Well I would have robbed you even more if we hadn't decided to be honest at the beginning"
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your analogy gets its persuasive force from 1. the advice coming from the perpetrator 2. the counterfactual claim in the third sentence being false neither of these is true in the original case
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Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @RokoMijicUK and
a movement becoming increasingly susceptible to influence from political currents popular among young educated people seems to me like the default mostly-unavoidable case instead of evidence that something went especially wrong
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"Shut up and avoid the mostly-unavoidable"? The diffusion gradient should point in the other direction: the movement pulling in young educated people to refine its original vision, rather than the original vision getting entropically "influenced"http://benjaminrosshoffman.com/construction-beacons/ …
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i think it's less a matter of the original vision getting influenced and more a matter of it making up a smaller part of a mix of visions each of which has influence on what it sees as most important
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Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @zackmdavis and
to state your argument in a strawman form that may nonetheless help clarify our disagreements: it sounds to me like you're saying the thing should be so perfect that it doesn't exist
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anyway though that's somewhat separate from the question of whether we can conclude from imperfection that a strategic mistake was made
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