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    1. Roko Mijic‏ @RokoMijicUK 13 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @robertwiblin @mmt_lvt

      Most people's politics are purchased off the shelf and are really a function of what their social group assigns status to. Go 500 years backwards or forwards in time and you'd find everyone's politics repugnant, but in personal matters individuals would still vary and matter.

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    2. Robert Wiblin‏ @robertwiblin 13 Oct 2019
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      You're still using their politics to judge them, just with more context on how to interpret. The idea that someone politics is rarely informative about how smart or compassionate they are, or that you shouldn't use that information for some reason, is wild to me.

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    3. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 13 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @robertwiblin @RokoMijicUK @mmt_lvt

      in my experience it's easy to think up reasons why politics is informative about smarts/compassion that sound plausible in theory but that don't actually let you predict smarts/compassion well outside politics

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    4. Roko Mijic‏ @RokoMijicUK 13 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @robertwiblin @mmt_lvt

      It does *somewhat*, especially if as Rob said you take context into account. Wealthy people in e.g. ancient Rome all had slaves. But they weren't all horrible monsters. Most likely some of them treated their slaves well & with compassion. Those were the good ones.

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    5. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 13 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @RokoMijicUK @robertwiblin @mmt_lvt

      you can mostly just observe smarts and compassion directly, and conditional on those observations, politics will be mostly uninformative about them "i won't date nazis because naziism is evil" is fine, and i don't see the need to confabulate it being about other traits

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    6. Roko Mijic‏ @RokoMijicUK 13 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @robertwiblin @mmt_lvt

      > "i won't date nazis because naziism is evil" is fine The problem with this is that it encourages unfair discrimination. There are, to a good approximation, no Nazis. So any time this rule gets used, it will be used to exclude or pass over someone for something they aren't.

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    7. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 13 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @RokoMijicUK @robertwiblin @mmt_lvt

      well, sure, i was hypothesizing that they're actually a nazi. if someone is not a nazi, then it's bad to dislike them for being a nazi

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    8. Roko Mijic‏ @RokoMijicUK 13 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @robertwiblin @mmt_lvt

      But the question is how much of a true positive rate do you get for rules of the form "I won't personally interact with X-ists because they bad" under real world conditions, not under hypothetical conditions?

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    9. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 13 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @RokoMijicUK @robertwiblin @mmt_lvt

      i think anyone capable of deciding to take this argument into account is also capable of deciding not to mistake people for nazis

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    10. Roko Mijic‏ @RokoMijicUK 13 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @robertwiblin @mmt_lvt

      Not everyone is wise. Plenty of people have broadened it to the following: https://time.com/4509441/presidential-debates-donald-trump-relationships/ … which IMO is unhealthy. And then we have this: https://theestablishment.co/when-i-said-all-trump-supporters-are-white-supremacists-i-meant-it-2366ca7aea24-2/index.html … So it's not too much of a stretch for someone to exclude about 100 million people from your dating pool!

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      Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 13 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @RokoMijicUK @robertwiblin @mmt_lvt

      right, i'm not saying people like this don't exist, i'm saying they're not going to listen to your "what if you're wrong" arguments

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        1. Roko Mijic‏ @RokoMijicUK 13 Oct 2019
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          Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @robertwiblin @mmt_lvt

          OK! Yes, ofc they won't listen. I'm trying to get the smart people like Rob to listen though.

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