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    1. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit Jun 27
      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @simpolism @teleonomist

      as for the aliens below the moon thing: artificial general intelligence seems possible because humans are possible

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    2. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit Jun 27
      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @simpolism @teleonomist

      and it would help achieve a lot of different goals, which means people will be motivated to try to invent it

      1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
    3. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit Jun 27
      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @simpolism @teleonomist

      also, sometimes when you don't know what a thing will be like there are a few possibilities and you can study each of them

      1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
    4. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 27
      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @teleonomist

      simpolism Retweeted sol

      1) re "intelligent thing risk" my new fave take is https://twitter.com/fire__exit/status/1011762984136445953 … 2) humans took millennia to appear and were shaped by long-term environments. we're motivated to make virtual humans but it's gonna be messy & I think Moore's Law is over 3) "study"? 👌 "sound alarm"? ❌

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      sol @fire__exit
      ai risk should be reframed as control system risk
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    5. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 27
      Replying to @simpolism @VesselOfSpirit @teleonomist

      I think a major point I deeply disagree with is that I don't think Moore's Law will hold. A lot of AI-related fear seems to assume a continuous creep in computing power. How would AI-risk research change if we were forever stuck with the computing power of our current hardware?

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    6. sol‏ @fire__exit Jun 27
      Replying to @simpolism @VesselOfSpirit @teleonomist

      exponential hardware power growth probably only matters for hard takeoff

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 27
      Replying to @fire__exit @VesselOfSpirit @teleonomist

      but hard takeoff is "the big x-risk", no?

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    8. sol‏ @fire__exit Jun 27
      Replying to @simpolism @VesselOfSpirit @teleonomist

      if we want humans around 50-100 yrs from now, but even much slower development is bad news for long time scales imo

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    9. sol‏ @fire__exit Jun 27
      Replying to @fire__exit @simpolism and

      and this is assuming there's not an equivalent scaling mechanism for distributed computing (which can also improved dramatically)

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    10. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 27
      Replying to @fire__exit @VesselOfSpirit @teleonomist

      I'm not even particularly convinced that "general intelligence" is something we're at all close to knowing how to build, regardless of whether it takes 20 years or 10 seconds to train

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      Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit Jun 27
      Replying to @simpolism @fire__exit @teleonomist

      i'm not particularly convinced either, but i'm not particularly convinced of the opposite, which seems enough to sound the alarm

      9:27 AM - 27 Jun 2018
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        2. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 27
          Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @fire__exit @teleonomist

          i'm opposed to existential alarms on principle

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        3. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 27
          Replying to @simpolism @VesselOfSpirit and

          even then, i think AI alarm is more of a pascal's wager type alarm than a nuclear weapon type alarm

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        4. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit Jun 27
          Replying to @simpolism @fire__exit @teleonomist

          pascal's wager is problematic because it involves very unlikely events. i'm arguing agi isn't very unlikely

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