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    1. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 25

      simpolism Retweeted Simon DeDeo

      Important Thread explaining why AI Safety isn't a concern.https://twitter.com/SimonDeDeo/status/1011255347095523328 …

      simpolism added,

      Simon DeDeo @SimonDeDeo
      This thread by @fchollet, applied to Bayesianism, is the basic counterargument to the last ten years of “AGI as existential threat”. https://twitter.com/fchollet/status/1010988618993655808 …
      Show this thread
      8 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
    2. regret maximizer‏ @teleonomist Jun 25
      Replying to @simpolism

      does anyone who's taken seriously by anyone believe that AI must be explicitly Bayesian in order to be an existential threat?

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    3. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 25
      Replying to @teleonomist

      IME most people who think AI is an existential threat also seem to take Yudkowsky seriously, but there could surely be those out there who don't...

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. regret maximizer‏ @teleonomist Jun 25
      Replying to @simpolism

      my point is that i don't think he actually believes that remember when he was wiggin' out about about alphago

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. regret maximizer‏ @teleonomist Jun 25
      Replying to @teleonomist @simpolism

      closest i could find on the subject seemed to sound more like he thinks AI is more likely to be an existential risk if it's *not* explicitly Bayesian, but that was also pretty old ah who am i kidding, punching out strawmen is too fun

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 25
      Replying to @teleonomist

      simpolism Retweeted Simon DeDeo

      Bayesian or not, this is closest to my feelings: https://twitter.com/SimonDeDeo/status/1011266703223816192 … IMO: we can't predict how GAI will look and what it will do. So how can we "prepare" for it? Focusing on preparing for a Paperclip Maximizer DOES assume Bayesianism.

      simpolism added,

      Simon DeDeo @SimonDeDeo
      Replying to @simpolism @TetraspaceAdmn
      We can imagine a Strong AI. We can also imagine a super-intelligent alien race hiding under the surface of the Moon, and spend lots of money studying the Outside Context Problem. The question is if there are good arguments to worry, and the best one we have doesn't work.
      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. regret maximizer‏ @teleonomist Jun 25
      Replying to @simpolism

      why does preparing for a paperclip maximizer assume Bayesianism?

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 25
      Replying to @teleonomist

      You are correct -- it doesn't assume Bayesianism -- but this doesn't invalidate my central point, which is that we don't know what it will look like.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit Jun 27
      Replying to @simpolism @teleonomist

      thinking about ai safety doesn't require knowing what it looks like, just that it intelligently pursues goals and isn't human

      1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
      Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit Jun 27
      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @simpolism @teleonomist

      i'd be interested if you have a specific example of an ai safety argument that depends on knowing the ai's architecture

      8:27 AM - 27 Jun 2018
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        2. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit Jun 27
          Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @simpolism @teleonomist

          as for the aliens below the moon thing: artificial general intelligence seems possible because humans are possible

          1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
        3. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit Jun 27
          Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @simpolism @teleonomist

          and it would help achieve a lot of different goals, which means people will be motivated to try to invent it

          1 reply 1 retweet 3 likes
        4. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit Jun 27
          Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @simpolism @teleonomist

          also, sometimes when you don't know what a thing will be like there are a few possibilities and you can study each of them

          1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
        5. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 27
          Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @teleonomist

          simpolism Retweeted sol

          1) re "intelligent thing risk" my new fave take is https://twitter.com/fire__exit/status/1011762984136445953 … 2) humans took millennia to appear and were shaped by long-term environments. we're motivated to make virtual humans but it's gonna be messy & I think Moore's Law is over 3) "study"? 👌 "sound alarm"? ❌

          simpolism added,

          sol @fire__exit
          ai risk should be reframed as control system risk
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        6. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 27
          Replying to @simpolism @VesselOfSpirit @teleonomist

          I think a major point I deeply disagree with is that I don't think Moore's Law will hold. A lot of AI-related fear seems to assume a continuous creep in computing power. How would AI-risk research change if we were forever stuck with the computing power of our current hardware?

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        7. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 27
          Replying to @simpolism @VesselOfSpirit @teleonomist

          My current theorizing is that: - the brain is the most efficient physical form for human-like intelligence - the most likely "general AI" is a large brain/"biological machine" - there are deep unknown-unknowns re how this might come to exist and what forms of agency it will have

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        8. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit Jun 27
          Replying to @simpolism @teleonomist

          "most efficient physical form" seems really unlikely to me given how many constraints evolution has been under

          3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. simpolism‏ @simpolism Jun 27
          Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @teleonomist

          right, the question for efficiency is always "efficient with respect to what metric"? I think human brains are more efficient at human-like thought than computers are. But I don't think people expect a general AI to have human-like thought.

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