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    1. LisaLittman‏ @LisaLittman1 17 Aug 2020
      Replying to @LisaLittman1 @jack_turban

      Your statement “a large proportion of the kids in those studies didn’t even meet GID criteria” —isn’t a reason to discard the desistance studies because there has been an analysis that separates those who didn’t meet criteria from those who did.

      2 replies 0 retweets 33 likes
    2. Jack Turban MD  🏳️‍🌈 🧠‏Verified account @jack_turban 17 Aug 2020
      Replying to @LisaLittman1

      There are multiple reasons to not to use the data in this way: (1) the DSM-IV vs DSM-5 issue I've now raised 3 times, (2) misinterpreting data about children to make conclusions about adolescents, (3) including children who didn't meet even DSM-IV criteria in the studies.

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    3. Jack Turban MD  🏳️‍🌈 🧠‏Verified account @jack_turban 17 Aug 2020
      Replying to @jack_turban @LisaLittman1

      The first (the one you continue to ignore) is arguably the most important, and why I listed it first in my thread.

      1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
    4. LisaLittman‏ @LisaLittman1 17 Aug 2020
      Replying to @jack_turban

      I don’t agree that the reasons you list justify ignoring the desistance research that exists- especially given that there are no desistance studies yet using DSM V to refute or confirm those findings.

      2 replies 1 retweet 55 likes
    5. Jack Turban MD  🏳️‍🌈 🧠‏Verified account @jack_turban 17 Aug 2020
      Replying to @LisaLittman1

      I didn't "ignore" the research, Dr. Littman. I analyzed it and pointed out the objective ways in which you are misinterpreting the data You are welcome to not "agree" with my opinions, but you are not welcome to ignore objective facts with the goal of confirming your own biases

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    6. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 17 Aug 2020
      Replying to @jack_turban @LisaLittman1

      4thWaveNow Retweeted  〽️ars  ⚓️

      Dr. Turban, anyone paying attention is aware that there a growing number of post-adolescent desisters. Many have begun speaking publicly. Here is a recent interview conducted, incidentally, by a trans man. Perhaps you might consider your own biases?https://twitter.com/_Mars_F/status/1293971105766572032?s=20 …

      4thWaveNow added,

       〽️ars  ⚓️ @UpperhandMars
      In this episode, a conversation with @chiaracanaan about her experience identifying as trans but NOT medically transitioning. https://youtu.be/rLfTrTRnIRk 
      2 replies 6 retweets 33 likes
    7. PoliJunkie20  🇺🇸‏ @PoliJunkie20 17 Aug 2020
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @jack_turban @LisaLittman1

      Can you provide a study that shows a large number of people who transition ultimately detransition?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. 4thWaveNow‏ @4th_WaveNow 17 Aug 2020
      Replying to @PoliJunkie20 @jack_turban @LisaLittman1

      How many detransitioners or desisters would be enough to matter or be worth studying, in your view? Obviously, more study is needed, which is exactly what Dr. Littman plans to do.

      3 replies 0 retweets 21 likes
    9. PoliJunkie20  🇺🇸‏ @PoliJunkie20 17 Aug 2020
      Replying to @4th_WaveNow @jack_turban @LisaLittman1

      1/ It's not evidence-based to say, "look at this YouTube video of a detransitioner" and then base major medical policy on such an anecdote. The highest rate I've seen is a 5% detransition rate.

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    10. PoliJunkie20  🇺🇸‏ @PoliJunkie20 17 Aug 2020
      Replying to @PoliJunkie20 @4th_WaveNow and

      2/ I acknowledge that there are detransitioners and believe that they deserve to be heard. But it seems odd to focus on less than 5% of the transition population and not mention the over 95% of transitioners who are happy with the outcome.

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       〽️ars  ⚓️‏ @UpperhandMars 17 Aug 2020
      Replying to @PoliJunkie20 @4th_WaveNow and

      What's odd is the push to rush kids on puberty blockers and HRT. What's odd is how broad and vague the diagnosis for gender dysphoria is. What's odd is how often I've interviewed detransitioners to find out - they have internalized homophobia, trauma, or an eating disorder. 1/4

      3:22 PM - 17 Aug 2020
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        2.  〽️ars  ⚓️‏ @UpperhandMars 17 Aug 2020
          Replying to @UpperhandMars @PoliJunkie20 and

          There definitely is a happy ending for SOME that do transition and I'm part of that group. However, my experience doesn't speak for all. There is obviously an issue and most would rather ignore it as they feel its going to invalidate their experience. 2/4

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        3.  〽️ars  ⚓️‏ @UpperhandMars 17 Aug 2020
          Replying to @UpperhandMars @PoliJunkie20 and

          More often than not it seems those that detrans are coming out after being on HRT during their teens. This should speak volumes to anyone with a brain. What kind of "happy" ending is left for those that detransition and are stuck with irreversible changes? 3/4

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        1. Chemistry grad student for human rights‏ @lockedoutofvenu 17 Aug 2020
          Replying to @UpperhandMars @PoliJunkie20 and

          That was very well-written, Mars.

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