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    Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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    1/ People often ask me why I’m so “against” Ethereum. Why do I go out of my way to point out flaws or make analogies that put it in a bad light?

    08:03 - 28. pro 2018.
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      2. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        2/ First, ETH’s architecture & culture is _opposite_ that of Bitcoin, and yet claims to offer same solutions: decentralization, immutability, SoV, asset issuance, smart contracts, … Second, ETH is considered a crypto ‘blue chip’, thus colors perception of uninformed newcomers.

        13 replies 17 proslijeđenih tweetova 354 korisnika označavaju da im se sviđa
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      3. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        3/ I've followed Ethereum since 2014 & feel a responsibility to share my concerns. IMO contrary to its marketing, ETH is at best a science experiment. It’s now valued at $13B, which I think is still too high.

        14 replies 27 proslijeđenih tweetova 342 korisnika označavaju da im se sviđa
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      4. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        Tuur Demeester je proslijedio/a tweet korisnika/ceVlad (--support-dao-fork) Zamfir

        4/ I agree with Ethereum developer Vlad Zamfir that it’s not money, not safe, and not scalable. https://twitter.com/VladZamfir/status/838006311598030848 …https://twitter.com/VladZamfir/status/859070189698265088 …

        Tuur Demeester je dodan/na,

        Vlad (--support-dao-fork) Zamfir @VladZamfir
        Odgovor korisnicima @ToneVays @ddkothar i sljedećem broju korisnika: 2
        Eth isn't money, so there is no monetary policy. There is currently fixed block issuance with an exponential difficulty increase (the bomb).
        11 replies 32 proslijeđena tweeta 337 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      5. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        5/ To me the first red flag came up when in our weekly hangout we asked the ETH founders about to how they were going to scale the network. (We’re now 4.5 years later, and sharding is still a pipe dream.)https://twitter.com/TuurDemeester/status/814691863731073025 …

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        Tuur Demeester @TuurDemeester
        Ethereum's Joe Lubin in June 2014: "anticipate blockchain bloat—working on various sharding ideas". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJG9g0lCPU8&feature=youtu.be&t=36m41s …
        14 replies 26 proslijeđenih tweetova 300 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      6. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        6/ Despite strong optimism that on-chain scaling of Ethereum was around the corner (just another engineering job), this promise hasn’t been delivered on to date. https://blog.ethereum.network/devcon1-presentations-2448a8e07c3d …

        12 proslijeđenih tweetova 242 korisnika označavaju da im se sviđa
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      7. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        Tuur Demeester je proslijedio/a tweet korisnika/ceTuur Demeester

        7/ Recently, a team of reputable developers decided to peer review a widely anticipated Casper / sharding white paper, concluding that it does not live up to its own claims.https://twitter.com/TuurDemeester/status/1070760364680335360 …

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        Tuur Demeester @TuurDemeester
        Unmerciful peer review of Vlad Zamfir & co's white paper to scale Ethereum: "the authors do NOT prove that the CBC Casper family of protocols is Byzantine fault tolerant in either practice or theory". pic.twitter.com/bPPtoYWZ3N
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        9 replies 27 proslijeđenih tweetova 267 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      8. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        8/ On the 2nd layer front, devs are now trying to scale Ethereum via scale via state channels (ETH’s version of Lightning), but it is unclear whether main-chain issued ERC20 type tokens will be portable to this environment.https://blog.coinfund.io/the-state-of-state-channels-2018-edition-f5492134ab96 …

        13 replies 18 proslijeđenih tweetova 227 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      9. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        Tuur Demeester je proslijedio/a tweet korisnika/ceelizabeth stark

        9/ Compare this to how the Bitcoin Lightning Network project evolved:https://twitter.com/starkness/status/980120074777452546 …

        Tuur Demeester je dodan/na,

        elizabeth stark @starkness
        Odgovor korisnicima @Hanakookie1 @panekkkk i sljedećem broju korisnika: 2
        For lnd: First public code released: January 2016 Alpha: January 2017 Beta: March 2018 ICO: 🤔😂
        5 replies 14 proslijeđenih tweetova 229 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      10. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        Tuur Demeester je proslijedio/a tweet korisnika/ceJameson Lopp

        10/ Bitcoin’s Lightning Network is now live, and is growing at rapid clip.https://twitter.com/lopp/status/1077200836072296449 …

        Tuur Demeester je dodan/na,

        Jameson LoppOvjeren akaunt @lopp
        Lightning Network: January 2018 vs December 2018 pic.twitter.com/P6LWP1RRzr
        10 replies 20 proslijeđenih tweetova 283 korisnika označavaju da im se sviđa
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      11. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        11/ In 2017, more Ethereum scaling buzz was created, this time the panacea was “Plasma”.https://twitter.com/TuurDemeester/status/895503667461185536 …

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        Tuur Demeester @TuurDemeester
        Buterin & Poon just published a new scaling proposal for Ethereum, "strongly complementary to base-layer PoS and sharding": plasma.io https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/895467347502182401 …
        9 proslijeđenih tweetova 169 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      12. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        Tuur Demeester je proslijedio/a tweet korisnika/cePeter Todd

        12/ However, upon closer examination it was the recycling of some stale ideas, and the project went nowhere:https://twitter.com/peterktodd/status/895562065091248128 …

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        Peter Todd @peterktodd
        Odgovor korisnicima @peterktodd @VitalikButerin
        These ideas were all considered in the Treechains design process, and ultimately rejected as insecure.
        6 replies 11 proslijeđenih tweetova 204 korisnika označavaju da im se sviđa
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      13. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        Tuur Demeester je proslijedio/a tweet korisnika/ceTuur Demeester

        13/ The elephant in the room is the transition to proof-of-stake, an “environmentally friendly” way to secure the chain. (If this was the plan all along, why create a proof-of-work chain first?)https://twitter.com/TuurDemeester/status/761774530121510912 …

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        Tuur Demeester @TuurDemeester
        Odgovor korisniku/ci @TuurDemeester
        41/ "Changing from proof of work to proof of stake changes the economics of the system, all the rules change and it will impact everything."
        8 replies 12 proslijeđenih tweetova 258 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      14. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        14/ For the uninitiated, here’s a good write-up that highlights some of the fundamental design problems of proof-of-stake. Like I said, this is science experiment territory.https://medium.com/@hugonguyen/proof-of-stake-the-wrong-engineering-mindset-15e641ab65a2 …

        9 replies 33 proslijeđena tweeta 305 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      15. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        15/ Also check out this thread about how Proof of Stake blockchains require subjectivity (i.e. a trusted third party) to achieve consensus: https://forum.blockstack.org/t/pos-blockchains-require-subjectivity-to-reach-consensus/762?u=muneeb … and this thread on r/Bitcoin:https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/59t48m/proofofstake_question/ …

        19 proslijeđenih tweetova 212 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      16. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        Tuur Demeester je proslijedio/a tweet korisnika/ceTuur Demeester

        16/ Keep in mind that Proof of Stake (PoS) is not a new concept at all. Proof-of-Work actually was one of the big innovations that made Bitcoin possible, after PoS was deemed impractical because of censorship vulnerability.https://twitter.com/tuurdemeester/status/958882985406758912 …

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        Tuur Demeester @TuurDemeester
        TIL Proof-of-stake based private currency designs date at least back to 1998. https://medium.com/swlh/the-untold-history-of-bitcoin-enter-the-cypherpunks-f764dee962a1 … pic.twitter.com/t2wqjSAq0Y
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        7 replies 38 proslijeđenih tweetova 280 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      17. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        Tuur Demeester je proslijedio/a tweet korisnika/ceTuur Demeester

        17/ Over the years, this has become a pattern in Ethereum’s culture: recycling old ideas while not properly referring to past research and having poor peer review standards. This is _not_ how science progresses.https://twitter.com/TuurDemeester/status/897846425593294853 …

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        Tuur Demeester @TuurDemeester
        .@VitalikButerin has been repeatedly accused of /criticised for not crediting prior art. Once again with plasma: https://twitter.com/DamelonBCWS/status/895643582278782976 … pic.twitter.com/f47x5Tx7wp
        6 replies 33 proslijeđena tweeta 312 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      18. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        18/ One of my big concerns is that sophistry and marketing hype is a serious part of Ethereum’s success so far, and that overly inflated expectations have lead to an inflated market cap.

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      19. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        19/ Let’s illustrate with an example.

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      20. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        Tuur Demeester je proslijedio/a tweet korisnika/ceTuur Demeester

        20/ A few days ago, I shared a critical tweet that made the argument that Ethereum’s value proposition is in essence utopian.https://twitter.com/TuurDemeester/status/1077603662371930112 …

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        Tuur Demeester @TuurDemeester
        Ethereum-ism sounds a bit like Marxism to me: - What works today (PoW) is 'just a phase', the ideal & unproven future is to come: Proof-of-Stake. - Utopian concept of progress: 'social consensus' based hard forks. - Utopian future: perpetual income for all 'ETHizens'.
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      21. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        21/ I was very serious about my criticism. In fact, each one of the three points addressed what Vitalik Buterin has described as “unique value propositions of Ethereum proper”. https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/5jk3he/how_to_prevent_the_cannibalism_of_ethereum_into/dbgujr8/ …pic.twitter.com/hwrVvRlKdK

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      22. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        Tuur Demeester je proslijedio/a tweet korisnika/cevitalik.eth

        22/ My first point, about Ethereum developers rejecting Proof-of-Work, has been illustrated many times over By Vitalik and others. (See earlier in this tweetstorm for more about how PoS is unproven.)https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/1077548790272405504 …

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        vitalik.ethOvjeren akaunt @VitalikButerin
        Odgovor korisniku/ci @giacomozucco
        I don't believe in proof of work!
        8 proslijeđenih tweetova 147 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      23. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        23/ My second point addresses Ethereum’s romance with the vague and dangerous notion of ‘social consensus’, where disruptive hard-forks are used to ‘upgrade’ or ‘optimize’ the system, which inevitably leads to increased centralization. More here:https://medium.com/@tuurdemeester/critique-of-buterins-a-proof-of-stake-design-philosophy-49fc9ebb36c6 …

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      24. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        24/ My third point addresses PoS’ promise of perpetual income to ETHizens. Vitalik is no stranger to embracing free lunch ideas, e.g. during his 2014 ETH announcement speech, where he described a coin with a 20% inflation tax as having “no cost” to users.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9dpjN3Mwps&feature=youtu.be&t=20m21s …

        11 proslijeđenih tweetova 171 korisnik označava da mu se sviđa
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      25. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        Tuur Demeester je proslijedio/a tweet korisnika/cevitalik.eth

        25/ In his response to my tweet, Vitalik adopted my format to “play the same game” in criticizing Bitcoin. My criticisms weren't addressed, and his response was riddled with errors. Yet his followers gave it +1,000 upvotes!https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/1077710720924434432 …

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        vitalik.ethOvjeren akaunt @VitalikButerin
        Odgovor korisniku/ci @TuurDemeester
        - What works today (L1) is just a phase, ideal and unproven future (usable L2) is to come - Utopian concept of progress: we're already so confident we're finished we ain't needin no hard forks - Utopian future: hyperbitcoinization I can play this game too! 😊
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      26. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        26/ Rebuttal: - BTC layer 1 is not “just a phase”, it always will be its definitive bedrock for transaction settlement. - Soft forking digital protocols has been the norm for over 3 decades—hard-forks are the deviation! - Satoshi never suggested hyperbitcoinization as a goal.

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      27. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        27/ This kind of sophistry is exhausting and completely counter-productive, but it can be very convincing for an uninformed retail public.

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      28. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        28/ Let me share a few more inconvenient truths.

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      29. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        29/ In order to “guarantee” the transition to PoS’ utopia of perpetual income (staking coins earns interest), a “difficulty bomb” was embedded in the protocol, which supposedly would force miners to accept the transition.https://ethereum.stackexchange.com/questions/323/what-is-the-difficulty-bomb-and-what-is-the-goal-of-it …

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      30. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        Tuur Demeester je proslijedio/a tweet korisnika/ceTuur Demeester

        30/ Of course, nothing came of this, because anything in the ETH protocol can be hard-forked away. Another broken promise.https://twitter.com/tuurdemeester/status/957627339365605376 …

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        Tuur Demeester @TuurDemeester
        Looks like another Ethereum hard-fork is going to remove the "Ice Age" (difficulty increase meant to incentivize transition to PoS). https://www.cryptocompare.com/coins/guides/what-is-the-ethereum-ice-age/ … Via @mikeinspace pic.twitter.com/QAQ2ieGTZ0
        11 proslijeđenih tweetova 157 korisnika označava da im se sviđa
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      31. Tuur Demeester‏ @TuurDemeester 28. pro 2018.
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        31/ Another idea that was marketed heavily early on, was that with ETH you could program smart contract as easily as javascript applications.https://twitter.com/TuurDemeester/status/991154009904992256 …

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        I forgot, but in 2014 Ethereum was quite literally described as "Javascript-on-the-blockchain": https://youtu.be/l9dpjN3Mwps?t=13m37s …
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