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still prefer him to Freud, though Freud got more usefully right than we like to admit any more.

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He may be slightly responsible for ruining his own reputation, in that respect. Guy was an egomaniac who couldn't handle being surpassed by Jung.

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(Nor to bear criticism from anyone else - the worse the criticism of his worst ideas became, the more obtuse he became in sticking to them.)

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All of which is a shame, because I completely agree that he had a lot of good ideas - just not much of a sense of how to preserve their memory.

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However, happy to say this discussion has reminded me that I need to read more about the neo-freudians. Particularly, the hilariously named Karen Horney. Many of her ideas (e.g. concerning narcissism) have held up remarkably well.

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Seems to work for some people. I think a lot of stuff is "a good enough therapist can make it work if it's suitable for the client".

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This is literally all that any therapeutic discipline has achieved. CBT is completely overhyped, for example. Results are... literally placebo.

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Well, when you put in the drug trial results that were witheld it turns out that a lot of drugs are in the nocebo side too.

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er, not nocebo, I forget the name for placebo but the drug has an effect noticeable to patient, just unrelated to what it's supposed to do

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I've also forgotten, but "fucking useless" seems about right.

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A lot may also be related to practioner skill. One of my best friends is a psych, specializing in depression, gets good results, says more shrinks and almost all GPs mis-prescribe.

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Pretty much everything in psych is like that. Practitioners have worse professional training than e.g. doctors, and doctors fuck up all. the. time.