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Mi’sen
@misen__
The sudden/gradual, immanence/distinction tensions have gone on for a long long time....explored quite brilliantly by Sam Van Schaik (and others, I'm sure). May be less conflicting if one is able to take the pointers, not as a way to be free 'instantly', but as a way of training
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Cinder
@Triquetrea
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@misen__
The problem, seen over and over again, is that most students really, utterly fail at that. There are better ways to get from there to here, IMO, especially for people expressly conditioned to cling to everything. If you can integrate into the culture, say a Zen temple, OTOH...
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Cinder
@Triquetrea
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@misen__
I am in the fortunate position of being two links of association away from many of those tasked with this stuff; too far to be entangled, close enough to understand broad strokes. You can't just bring the practice into a foreign culture. It won't "click". Too much baggage. E.g.:
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Mi’sen
@misen__
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@Triquetrea
'cultural contingents of practice' - is a great phrase. I may be able to interpret that a certain way according to my own understanding, but I'd be interested to hear you pull that out a bit in the context of the sort of practice/realisation Tilopa is describing.
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