You expect primates to come up with sophisticated classification systems totally at odds with the instincts they culturally can't admit to having?
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Replying to @Triquetrea
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Lol! Of course I wouldn't *expect* it, but it would be great to hear conversations that went based around what sort of Left people are defending themselves from being accused of being.
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I've long since lost hope for that. We have those sorts of discussions in Norway. I have never, ever, seen them carried out abroad.
And the political climate in Norway is also deteriorating.
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Really? That's a shame. It seems to be one of those places seen as a beacon of hope for people who know literally nothing about the political situation there.
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Yeah, well, it's still probably a better and safer place to live than almost any other place on the planet for the not-disgustingly-rich, assuming you don't mind the cold and you don't live in Oslo.
That's not the same as saying it's anywhere close to utopia.
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In spite of everything, I think Britain isn't a terrible place from that point of view, either, for all but a (growing) minority… it could be pretty lovely for everyone, but a lot of people don't want it to be (and I don't just mean that they're not willing to pay the price).
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I speculate that the sheer spitefulness of Anglo culture is an atavism from your imperial days. Confer American attitudes towards the wider world and the resemblance is uncanny.
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Living under a system which crushes and abuses the Other for profit does something to the collective mores. I'm almost 100% sure of that.
It makes people very unseemly, at the individual level.
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Replying to @Triquetrea
I think it's worse than that - it's not just about profit, in fact I don't think that's the primary driver: the very wealthy know that they need to make sure that the moderately wealthy have someone to look down upon. More destitution = more comfortable people on side.
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Yes, it's designed to make you hate and despise those who are lower on the ladder.
"I worked to get here. I FOUGHT. Why shouldn't they?"
Monkeys. We're monkeys. That's all there is to say about it. :)
Replying to @Triquetrea
Yup. I realised a long time ago that I had to accept that at least a good proportion of people have no trouble at all sleeping at night in spite of any level of participation in others' suffering. I guess that's life.