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Gavin Deichen
@gdeichen
Replying to @Triquetrea
I still can't get my head around the idea that the principle description of most political positions is its position on a single axis from Left to Right. If there were maybe ten axes we might have something a bit more revealing.
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Cinder
@Triquetrea
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@gdeichen
You expect primates to come up with sophisticated classification systems totally at odds with the instincts they culturally can't admit to having?
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Gavin Deichen
@gdeichen
Replying to @Triquetrea
😃 Lol! Of course I wouldn't *expect* it, but it would be great to hear conversations that went based around what sort of Left people are defending themselves from being accused of being.
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Cinder
@Triquetrea
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@gdeichen
I've long since lost hope for that. We have those sorts of discussions in Norway. I have never, ever, seen them carried out abroad. And the political climate in Norway is also deteriorating.
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Gavin Deichen
@gdeichen
Replying to @Triquetrea
Really? That's a shame. It seems to be one of those places seen as a beacon of hope for people who know literally nothing about the political situation there.
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Cinder
@Triquetrea
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@gdeichen
Yeah, well, it's still probably a better and safer place to live than almost any other place on the planet for the not-disgustingly-rich, assuming you don't mind the cold and you don't live in Oslo. That's not the same as saying it's anywhere close to utopia.
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Gavin Deichen
@gdeichen
Replying to @Triquetrea
In spite of everything, I think Britain isn't a terrible place from that point of view, either, for all but a (growing) minority… it could be pretty lovely for everyone, but a lot of people don't want it to be (and I don't just mean that they're not willing to pay the price).
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Cinder
@Triquetrea
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@gdeichen
I speculate that the sheer spitefulness of Anglo culture is an atavism from your imperial days. Confer American attitudes towards the wider world and the resemblance is uncanny.
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Cinder
@Triquetrea
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@Triquetrea
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@gdeichen
Living under a system which crushes and abuses the Other for profit does something to the collective mores. I'm almost 100% sure of that. It makes people very unseemly, at the individual level.
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Cinder
@Triquetrea
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@Triquetrea
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@gdeichen
(And no, in fact, me and the wife have occasionally considered moving to the UK. We've got plenty of exit routes if something wouldn't click with the finances. But she's Polish, so I prevaricate. The racism seems... pretty bad.)
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Gavin Deichen
@gdeichen
Replying to @Triquetrea
That's an interesting point to consider… I actually don't know how bad the racism really is… I don't think that there are that many truly hateful racists, but a lot of people are disturbingly desperate to be allowed to be.
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