Also, IMO this hard and fast relationship with ideology is itself a tool of black/white-type political radicals, and I don't approve of its use.
Conversation
Replying to
interesting. you're saying you've seen (destructive?) radicals who were vocally critical of ideological possession? care to elaborate? i haven't seen this. most anyone i've ever seen speaking meta-ideologically seems clear-headed, sane, helpful
8
1
Replying to
The people who are the most critical of ideological highjacking in others, IME, are themselves tightly wound in that web - and completely unaware.
1
1
Replying to
ah, i see what you mean and have observed this behavior --- interesting. one thing that's key for me is that ideologues are quick to straw-man others as being in an opposing ideological camp, but it always goes only one way and they don't speak in meta-ideological terms
3
Replying to
Sure they do. Listen to someone like Jordan Peterson. He's a fairly sophisticated thinker and has ideas not just about ideologies, but how people come to hold them.
Doesn't change the fact that he lumps people *more* reasonable than him in with extremist & radicals all the time.
1
1
Replying to
funny you bring him up. i was thinking precisely about him as a possible exception to my general rule. he talks a lot about ideological possession but does seem to have some dogmatic tendencies, though i think his worldview is too unique to categorize as a preconceived ideology
1
Replying to
A conservative with dogmatic tendencies? Now I've seen it all. :P
Agreed, but he categorizes others based on his own dogmatism, which is what I meant.
1
Replying to
haha, no, a meta-ideological person who is also in some ways dogmatic/ideologically blinded...
you're right, he does do that. his sweeping lambasting of "the bloody postmodernists" borders on conspiratorial at times
2
Replying to
How anyone would take a modern French philosopher of that vein seriously on anything and not think that they've led themselves astray is beyond me.
1
1
Replying to
yeah i think he's kind of misguided in this area, though i think his critique of relativism as a corroding influence on civilization is on point. for the record i love JBP --- think he's brilliant and doing valuable work, though has his flaws like anyone
1
Replying to
He's an extremely brilliant psychologist. He's a little bit smarter than me, but not so much so that I can't understand how brilliant he is.
Most of his political ideas are poorly cultivated. He reads a few books and thinks he's found the answers, as far as I can tell. Naive.
people running around condemning ideology rarely understand what it is. It's not a curse word. Human rights is an ideology; democracy is an ideology. Should treat people well = ideology. People don't truly see their own most held beliefs as ideological.
1
1
2
when most people use ideology as a curse word what they mean is that the person is dogmatic.
Everyone is ideological except for people who are very severely disordered. It is unavoidable.
1
1
2
Show replies