Did it occur to any communist yet that the reason the working class doesn't organize is that it's a fiction?
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Capital is real. Holders of capital are, after a fashion, a class. Workers have no unifying class. 'not-capitalist' has limited coherency.
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Economic class has political power when it has a shared identity and ideology. Weber was good on this. Class alone /= everything.
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further, you can belong to the same class and have different interests. Union workers have sold out non union workers often.
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As you say, selling your labor does not imply common interest. Owning capital or buying labor does, however, to a much greater extent.
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I would say that selling labor does. All economic class is a position, economically, Needing to sell labour is a common interest.
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As far as I can tell, all cases of effective labor power lead to "all workers are equal, but some workers..."
E.g. in Norway, we now have-
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ie. what you're seeing is a real problem, but it isn't that workers aren't a class, it is that classes aren't always interest groups.
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Happy to concede that point, but I see many Marxists who ignore or contradict it. That's my real problem with the term, not class per se but
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... the idea that from class should spring solidarity & identity, even with incentives all flowing the other way. That doesn't add up.
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I think the key to removing wage labor is best illustrated by those greeks who just ignored their factory being shut down and kept on going.

