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Absent any kind of social net, economic costs at the bottom and human costs are totally commensurate. GDP growth and other such measures are how many % corporate transactions? The real economy in most of Europe is deflationary. Poland is in "growth" and has 10000s of homeless.

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Growth in diseases of despair and in income & wealth gaps is hardly benign growth. This is the model I operate under when I say the economic costs concern me. They will appreciate into human costs soon enough.

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Cinder

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Jul 25, 2020

I don't mean to categorize demographically. I think the outsize racism experienced by immigrants in countries with extra-high and extra-low immigration rates is a symptom of political malice. It's a smoke screen for whatever BS the political-commercial complex is engaged in.

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Whether it's "we're protecting you from BARBARIAN INVADERS" or "you're RACIST if you oppose this political choice", it's malice. The intent is to offload costs on the population (ALL the population) and anger for economic decline on demographic minorities. That's how I see it.

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Cinder

@Triquetrea

Jul 25, 2020

I don't mean to suggest that it isn't objectively worse to be an immigrant in these situations. You're a citizen, right? You grew up there? You have as much right to call yourself Swedish as anyone, but a nativist will make-pretend otherwise to your detriment. It's a sham.

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Cinder

@Triquetrea

Jul 25, 2020

I think to see this less as an issue with sides, more as a holistic social problem, is on some level helpful. Obviously people have tribes and will prefer their own, but there's more. The alt-righters arguing about immigration are on some level insane race theorists, however...

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... it's also clear that e.g. the US has weaponized mass immigration (while running some doublespeak interference about it) to attack poor & middle class wages/labor standards. It's a very messy process, and nobody seems to want to look at all of the social costs at once.

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I follow pretty much the entire political spectrum on Twitter. I'm curious about EVERYONE, and I don't totally agree or disagree with anyone. Most people would probably see me as left-wing, some as extreme left, which it's not totally accurate. But I digress.

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I've found the aesthetics of the extreme tribes disgusting, but all seem to have integrated something that the others have not. They are all on some level good at opposition research, and awful at critical thinking. You have to go to people's opponents to find their blind spots.

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