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Yeah, values are softer, fungible-er, less rigid (IME). Tried telos as an organizing principle for a few years and it was the most oppressive thing I've ever dome to myself. It also gets the job done though, so YMMV.

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Funniest example I've ever heard about telos: a philosophy prof was teaching a good-quality introductory survey class to non-philosophy majors, & a Commerce student had a notebook with a magazine photo of a big yellow Lambo. Underneath the kid had written "TELOS" in huge letters

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the kid was a born Sophist, it was awesome in its purity

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Born salesperson, too. This mentality was dirt common in my insanely brief stint in sales. Everyone who didn't have extrinsic motivation for needing to earn a lot of money, fast, was this way.

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Yeah, I have to respect it, while I acknowledge how distant I am from having that mindset. There just are very different kinds of people.

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I don't know. There are few categories of people I have less respect for. The only other time I've felt such an instant loathing, i was dealing with petty thugs and career criminals.

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For me, context is important. I think I'm focusing on that kid as an individual. He was super young and not a bad person.

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And I used to work with young guys (teens) in the justice system who did a lot of dumb shit, and some who were habitually violent. Because I knew them at young ages (15-18) it was complex. Was not capable of loathing them*.

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I see your point. But when you see these guys in their 30s, beating the shit out of some kid like the one in your previous tweet over missing drug money, sympathy is hard to come by.