I don't think that is what was being debated
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It was whether humans could display identical behavior without consciousness. I say no, Nathan says yes
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At the risk of reopening this can of worms, I closed this discussion last time with a bit of a post-mortem thread, including some of the points I find confused about the excerpt.
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Nathan you've gone and done it, you've roused the idealists. Poor poor man...
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Sure, but I think this point can be taken too far. Just because we are always viewing from first person reality doesn't mean that there is no 'external reality'. I'd say multiple people independently verifying similar phenomenon suggests that such a reality exists.
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The only winning move in ontology, as far as I can tell, is no move at all.
Also, I can't quite tell if my perspective is, strictly speaking, first person.
At least not without reference to concepts.
That said, all this third person stuff strikes me as even more nebulous.
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