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Good arguments, and I agree, but my point is less about their embrace of Peterson himself, and more the paucity of alternative, more respectable, less unhinged options. Is this the best they can do?

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Cinder

@Triquetrea

Nov 13, 2018

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Peterson says weird conservative stuff on a fairly regular basis, but his actual politics are neolib even on social issues. He's a hardcore moderate, scared of turning dials. So establishment embracing him is totally unsurprising. It maintains a veneer of ideological openness.

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Peterson is just more interesting than the usual suspects. Who even remembers the typical talking heads? If you mean the lack of charismatic alternatives, then yes, that makes perfect sense. Right is energised & networked. Left is scattered and infighting. The Center is dying.

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The system will spit out multiples of Petersons and people further right for every Corbyn.

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Oh, the ratio is like 50:1 in that respect, in neoliberal hegemonies, anyway.

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It's not really a hegemony if it can't sustain itself, is it? The nativists and fascists are already pouncing. Saw someone wanting to throw Spain out of the EU over criminalising the Catalan referendum. Problem is, they'd have to also throw out Slovakia, CR, Poland and Hungary.

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The political hegemony is crumbling, the economic hegemony is about to receive its coup de grace, but the cultural hegemony is two generations old & in the mind of everyone who grew up in it, in our cultural artifacts, in our collective memory.. that doesn't just crumble quickly.

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That, my friend, depends entirely on who gets to take up the mantle...

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Yeah, I'd rather we not go there. Aside from genocide & mass iconoclasm being hell on earth, we don't have the time. It would take a generation & more to eradicate, & we need to be fighting climate change, not each other. Syncretise capitalism, neuter it, like we did religion.

Cinder

@Triquetrea

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Considering the fascists are still around after getting their asses thoroughly pummeled, I'd say a generation is an overly optimistic estimate.

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Man in the High Castle gets this right on a multiversal level, I think. It only takes one Reich...

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Yeah. A generation would be the minimum required, but that would be for a popular movement, which a leftwing movement capable of such things absolutely wouldn't be in the UK or Europe.